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Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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As a person born and raised in Soviet Union, I strongly believe that whoever thinks that a proper economic response to raising prices is literally to order them to stop raising , is a lunatic.

On a city level socialist policies are OK and can be even good. This is similar how communism works on a family level. In Soviet Union the problems came from central planning for the whole country with essentially no feedback loops for bureaucrats and party bosses in charge.

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Genuinely curious: what do you think would be a better response?

Raising prices = Demand > Supply. You can either try to curb the demand (by e.g. creating incentives for companies to build offices elsewhere, move government bureaucracy somewhere else, etc.) or improve the supply by facilitating new construction, which in most places on earth is limited by, again, local government restrictions. edits: grammar

But how well has this worked in comparable cities like London or Paris where only wealthy people can afford to live?

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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As a person born and raised in Soviet Union, I strongly believe that whoever thinks that a proper economic response to raising prices is literally to order them to stop raising , is a lunatic.

As a person living in New York who thinks rent stabilization has been largely more successful than not at achieving its goals, I disagree.

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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As a person born and raised in Soviet Union, I strongly believe that whoever thinks that a proper economic response to raising prices is literally to order them to stop raising , is a lunatic.

Genuinely curious: what do you think would be a better response?

If there is a 'market abberation' find it, and deal with it.

For example, if tons of foreigners are buying homes, this might be a problem. Regulate it.

If tons of people are buying 2-3 homes and renting, thereby driving a wedge between home-owners/non-home-owners, regulate that.

If the issue is low interest rates, which are necessary for the regular economy, consider building in housing prices into the inflationary index, because it's a real thing that people have to pay for. This might affect how rate are set. That said, it's ECB and not really Germany anymore. FYI this should hint at the incredibly serious problems of Euro-area countries losing monetary policy by joining the Eurozone ...

If it's really just supply/demand build more homes.

It could be a function of older, crappier areas finally getting caught up in the modern world, in which case this might be an existential change that Berlin will have to deal with. The 'downtown' spots will eventually be paid for by people with decent jobs. Some pretty harsh and weird rules would have to be put in place to stop this.

Zone some areas for affordable housing.

My bet is the answer is mostly to build, but also that it's a 'neighbourhood' issue i.e. Kreuzebeurg (sorry, forget the spelling) is becoming gentrified and that's going to be a tough nut to alter.

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raising prices = Demand > Supply. You can either try to curb the demand (by e.g. creating incentives for companies to build offices elsewhere, move government bureaucracy somewhere else, etc.) or improve the supply by facilitating new construction, which in most places on earth is limited by, again, local government restrictions. edits: grammar

What's wrong with legally limiting artificial price hikes to prevent people from abusing Demand > Supply for the sake of their greed? [Edit] To clarify, they seem to be "artificial" price hikes because they don't in any way necessary to cover costs. People realize they can charge more and get more money, so they simply do. That's inherently avaricious and unethical. Sure, maybe prices work themselves out, so that pri…

You are using emotionally charged words ("artificial", "abuse", "greed"), which makes a bit hard to have a constructive argument, but let me try :).

One way to think about prices is as a signal. When greedy landlords raise prices, they send two signals: (1) To other landlords and wanna-be-landlords, saying it's an attractive market which would justify new construction or cleaning up your spare bedroom and putting it on the market, both increasing supply, and (2) to current and future renters, making it more economical for them to move elsewhere and thus save on their rent, thus reducing demand.

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Nope. New buildings are exempt.

So living in new buildings becomes undesirable even further because they are more expensive to live in than the rest of the city!

No, new buildings are desirable because they're new and will always find buyers, especially if built in a nice neighborhood.

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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If affordable housing is an issue, then perhaps the government should provide it for its citizens, like building huge high-rises in Berlin. I used to rent in an expensive city but bought a cheap house in the suburbs (thankfully I work remotely). Everything is cheaper out here, from gas to utilities to food. But I did experience classism from my friends and family: there is status living in a world-class city. And hav…

Last thing I heard, high buildings are mostly infeasible in Berlin due to the unstable underground. You can't build New York everywhere...

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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As a person born and raised in Soviet Union, I strongly believe that whoever thinks that a proper economic response to raising prices is literally to order them to stop raising , is a lunatic.

Genuinely curious: what do you think would be a better response?

No need to reinvent the wheel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Hong_Kong

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raising prices = Demand > Supply. You can either try to curb the demand (by e.g. creating incentives for companies to build offices elsewhere, move government bureaucracy somewhere else, etc.) or improve the supply by facilitating new construction, which in most places on earth is limited by, again, local government restrictions. edits: grammar

You're assuming the high prices are a result of high demand. Speculators and other bad actors are also driving up prices.

Speculators are "fake demand".

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Nope. New buildings are exempt.

So living in new buildings becomes undesirable even further because they are more expensive to live in than the rest of the city!

If low rent-controlled prices leads to increased demand, then new buildings may become more desirable to build because their rent prices could be even higher than they otherwise would be.
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