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World’s top bicycle maker is moving U.S. orders to Taiwan factory

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #190
kqr wrote: post #179

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It takes very little for the waiter to inject, "The satay contains peanuts as an essential ingredient, do you still want to order it?"

Sounds by that story that the other orders were intended for the other people eating given that the peanut free order was explicitly made. So I can only assume the waiter assumed the rest was an order for the others? Maybe that assumption may not (legally) be made and a warning needs to be made for everyone at a whole table? Either way that seems like a bit of a gray zone. Sounds almost like the point was to trip up…

This I think it's exactly it, they are trying to trip the people up and it's not realistic.

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Post by xkeyloggerscore »

sasaf5 wrote: post #117
nextos wrote: post #8

I don't immediately discard an item because it's made in China, as I know of some high quality items made there. Most Apple products, some Xiaomi products or Meermin/Feit shoes. However, I tend to be very skeptical about its quality. Moving manufacturing to China is most often done to reduce cost. The only industry where it's not done due to cost, but supply chain issues, is electronics. And with cost reduction comes…

Particularly I miss low-spec, high quality items. I want a good laptop for writing, it has to be only powerful enough to run emacs and a browser. but it has to survive being trashed around and the battery must be available 10 years from now for replacement. Good luck finding that kind of product...

I would never have used a computer connected to the internet, ever, for anything personal, such as writing.

All my writing and personal-things -machines go offline, permanently, before I'd write anything, and they stay offline forever.

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Post by im3w1l »

verall wrote: post #97
toomuchtodo wrote: post #65

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China executed people responsible for adding an industrial chemical to baby formula [1]. Without debating the merits of capital punishment, I think the issue is the lack of consistency in supple chain management. The only model I could compare to would be Costco, who is pretty good at curating products customers will like (and the quality is usually good IMHO). Trust sells, if you find buyers who value trust. [1] htt…

China executed scapegoats after huge internal outrage and an attempted coverup. Not the kind of thing that builds trust.

I don't know whether they were just scapegoats. But if we assume the worst, that they were, it's still a big cost. Having to find scapegoats to pin the blame on while keeping morale of other employees up, I'd imagine that isn't easy. People will be scared. They will wonder whether they are next in line for scapegoating. They will try their best to stay away and cover their asses. It will raise costs to the point that no one will try this again.

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Post by thorin »

weiming wrote: post #46

We just moved and needed to buy some new kitchenware. You would not believe how difficult it is to find so much as a spoon that is not made in China. Even from any name brand, even in a "fancy" store like Williams-Sonoma.

Pretty easy to find this kind of stuff in the UK, e.g. a lot of cutlery used to be made in Sheffield which is near to me and there still seems to be a demand.

https://www.sheffield-made.com/acatalog/Old_English.html#SID...

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Post by cannonedhamster »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #181
cannonedhamster wrote: post #164

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Soil composition, fertilizers, vegetable strains, and weather conditions all impact taste. Tomatoes from my garden made from heirloom seeds taste significantly better than best boy, beefsteak, or even tomatoes on the vine. I've had tomatoes from Italy, in Romania if all places, and can concur that even the produce exported tastes worlds better than what you can buy in the average US supermarket. I'd wager that the ty…

You can find heirloom veggies and less industrialized produce in American markets — but part of the reason they're not quite as popular is that they don't ship as well or have as long a season. Fuerte avocados, for instance, have a season of about six weeks. They're delicious but towards the end of the season they're not that great. Of course, living in the Bay Area I'm spoiled by the selection. It really is better t…

New York and a good chunk of the Northeast get a lot of produce from Canada year round. New York is also a major port city with fresh food coming in daily. I can't find any heirloom anything in my local market, not a big enough draw. The farmer's markets are great though fresh from field to table and usually great prices from great people. In the Bay area you actually have a really nice pipeline to farmers which probably explains the great produce. Portland seems like it might have a rain problem with would limit produce to tolerant it greenhouse crops, especially tomatoes which do poorly in tons of rain. Even lettuce needs to dry out lest it rot.

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #176
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #141

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That is a great point. Plenty of items that I have purchased and been unhappy with personally have found their way back to thrift stores. I try to donate primarily to the more local actual charities that do a lot of good in my community like the salvation army, but I have no problem donating to for profit thrift stores either as I am in them often and I can see the great things that they're doing for a very large num…

Salvation army isn't a non-profit in the strict traditional sense of the word, they are a church that happens to do a lot of worthwhile charity, The church part of their mission has led to some controversy regarding how they treat members of the LGBT community. While each individual office is different there's been a consistent thread of this running through the organization in line with their belief system. If that'…

>If that's not a concern to you then disregard, if it is you may want to consider how your donations and purchases are being spent.

That is absolutely a great concern to me, but the fact remains that there are at least 10 homeless shelters and soup kitchens in my area funded completely by the salvation army.

While savers et al might be more supportive of the LGBT community, salvation army is literally putting a roof over hundreds of heads who call my city home every night, which is why I choose to support them.

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Post by Shorel »

davidw wrote: post #18
josho wrote: post #14

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> Sadly, it's all about price. It’s about price because consumers can’t measure by anything else. Eg. I can’t tell which of two products is manufactured to higher standards, nor which one isn’t infested with formaldehyde. Until consumers are able to determine those other factors then yes sadly it is all about price (and marketing).

On that same subject - it was interesting to me how much better fresh produce was in Italy. In no small part I think this is due to the fact that people have a pretty good ability to distinguish the quality of a lot of traditional foods there. In the stores, the produce isn't usually as neat and tidy and pretty as in the US - you might even find a few bad bits and pieces, but by and large, it tastes really good.

The avoidance of Monsanto seeds could be a part of it.

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Post by BuckRogers »

microcolonel wrote: post #82
BuckRogers wrote: post #30

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The USA can't provide that scale and industrial power? Seems like the elephant in the room.

Maybe the U.S. can, but it seems that some people still think it's more efficient to go elsewhere, and in the near term I don't see that opinion changing.

That efficiency can be eliminated with tariffs, just as much of the rest of the world does. The only safe place to do business, is in the country that you're selling to. That should've never been encouraged to get away from to begin with.

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Post by jwong_ »

nihonde wrote: post #34
mymythisisthis wrote: post #23

Bicycles are something that you need to be careful buying. Don't buy a BSO - a Bicycle Shaped Object. Just because it looks like a bike, doesn't mean you can comfortably ride it. An entry level bike is about $1200. You can comfortably ride it for hours, or up hills, carry a heavy load, it won't easily break, and it'll have a smooth ride. I feel bad for people that go out and buy a BSO; BSOs ruin cycling. We need to h…

I have to laugh at this. In Japan, my Chinese-made bicycle is bulletproof and entirely functional. It cost $150, shipped to my front door. It’s a folding bike with 9 speeds and disc brakes. I’ve ridden it day after day for years. It spent two years without shelter in the elements. It won’t win the Tour but it is a winner in every other way. You can tell me the environmental impact was horrendous and I would believe y…

What's the bike you got? I am in the market for one in China, and have a hard time filtering for quality.

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Post by [deleted] »

davidw wrote: post #18
josho wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sadly, it's all about price. It’s about price because consumers can’t measure by anything else. Eg. I can’t tell which of two products is manufactured to higher standards, nor which one isn’t infested with formaldehyde. Until consumers are able to determine those other factors then yes sadly it is all about price (and marketing).

On that same subject - it was interesting to me how much better fresh produce was in Italy. In no small part I think this is due to the fact that people have a pretty good ability to distinguish the quality of a lot of traditional foods there. In the stores, the produce isn't usually as neat and tidy and pretty as in the US - you might even find a few bad bits and pieces, but by and large, it tastes really good.

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