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Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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Well since Rosalind Franklin did the majority of the work, yes.

Did Watson and his co-author fail to credit her in their paper? If they credited her, but the media failed to give her attention, it's not his fault.

They published their papers in the same issue of Nature. This is the standard way of giving credit to both.

Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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“Dick, this guy must be either very smart or very lucky. He constantly claims he knew less about what was going on than anyone else in the field, but he still made the crucial discovery.” Rosalind Franklin would probably disagree.

Franklin and her PhD students famous photo 51 was not enough. If it was, they would have the Nobel.

Crick's mathematical breakthrough to calculate the helix twist and playing around with molecular models was also necessary.

Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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By what metric do you measure her work and the work of Watson and Crick?

The fact that she did all of it, and Watson had a friend in the same department she was in let him know when she got her data so he could force his way in and threaten her until she showed it to him, then rush home to publish first? Then spent the rest of his career trash talking her after she died young? My fellow biology grad students when I was in grad school starting in 2005 pretty universally regarded Watson as…

Please provide your sources.

Referencing your fellow students' ideology driven groupthink doesn't qualify as such.

Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that she did all of it, and Watson had a friend in the same department she was in let him know when she got her data so he could force his way in and threaten her until she showed it to him, then rush home to publish first? Then spent the rest of his career trash talking her after she died young? My fellow biology grad students when I was in grad school starting in 2005 pretty universally regarded Watson as…

This is not an accurate summary of events. The Xray image helped but required spiral maths and modeling. On forgotten people what about Raymond Gosling (Franklin's PhD student) who took the famous photo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_51 Watson was shown Gosling's photo by Gosling new supervisor after transferring from under Franklin's supervision.

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Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that she did all of it, and Watson had a friend in the same department she was in let him know when she got her data so he could force his way in and threaten her until she showed it to him, then rush home to publish first? Then spent the rest of his career trash talking her after she died young? My fellow biology grad students when I was in grad school starting in 2005 pretty universally regarded Watson as…

This is not an accurate summary of events. The Xray image helped but required spiral maths and modeling. On forgotten people what about Raymond Gosling (Franklin's PhD student) who took the famous photo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_51 Watson was shown Gosling's photo by Gosling new supervisor after transferring from under Franklin's supervision.

Nope, he is a man, nothing interesting here.

Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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The fine print is also to master and absorb the knowledge of the other brilliant people which have come before you. Feynman certainly did this himself. His comment does not mean snooze in calculus while working on the Riemann hypothesis.

The "follow your own path" mantra is particularly important at the edge of human knowledge where established theories break down. As a physicist, I was personally surprised how much people blindly trust theoretical tools well outside their domain of original application. Even when the data is yelling at you "no that's wrong", people commonly persist because they read it in a book or heard it from a more senior professor. I believe this is the group think that Feynman was getting at.

Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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When does weird become too weird? I’m building a non-instant messenger, for example.

Email is a cesspool, this is a genius idea.

Thank you. I’m not happy with some aspects of it but will share it on here soon.

Re: Feynman’s Breakthrough, Disregard Others (2017)

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This feels like the sort of advice that increases the variance of outcomes more than the mean , if that makes any sense. It'll help some people, but also really won't help others. It's like... You'd need some serious disregard for the rest of the physics community to think you can figure out a reactionless drive. This is great if you actually can, but otherwise it's going to lead you to failure. In a lot of ways, get…

An approach that increases variance + survivor bias = a number of exalted recommendations: "for that brilliant person it worked like a charm, despite everyone's doubts!"

Obviously when the same approach went someone to a spectacular ruin, that someone is an obvious crackpot who insisted on a wrong thing despite everyone's opinion. It's not worth a story, so nobody mentions these losers.

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