Live data from Hacker News

Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

latimes.com

191–200 of 228 posts

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#191

There is this strange belief that landfills are taking up a ton of space and we need to reduce landfill usage because of it. This is simply not true. Landfills don't take up much space, we have plenty.

It's because of the Mobro 4000. Corrupt mafia fuckery that got mistaken for a environmental crisis.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#192
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass is essentially sand. Sure it may be sharp when it just broke, but it gets dull pretty fast in nature. Of all the things that got dumped onto this beach at Ft Bragg, glass was the least problematic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_Beach_(Fort_Bragg,_Calif...

> dull pretty fast in nature Especially when a critter chews on it accidentally, or it gets crushed under foot and some ends up in the foot. It's the dulling process that sucks.

I once got a stick stuck in my foot. Maybe we should ban those.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#193

Asia is not "taking a stand", that's quite the spin on reality. It was never economically profitable, and they tightened import controls as a pawn in the current trade war. Coincidently: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluti... It's not to say that the move will undoubtedly benefit the environment, but we should call a spade a spade.

Well yes, that may have been part of the calculus for China banning garbage imports. But the resulting unmet demand for garbage dumping then spread to the rest of Asia, and we absolutely are taking a stand on rejecting it for non-trade war reasons. [1]

[1] https://www.businessinsider.my/malaysia-town-plastic-waste-c...

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#194
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really much of a point in recycling anything but reasonably clean paper/cardboard (I know stuff like greasy pizza boxes won't get recycled), and clean metals (like aluminum cans). Like, aside for those, will much realistically get recycled? Aside for the insane amount of amazon boxes I toss in recycling, so very little of my trash fits the bill of things that will reasonably get recycled...

Glass is another (the other?) material which is worthwhile to recycle. Like plastic, glass never decomposes. Unlike plastic and unlike paper/cardboard, it can be endlessly remelted and remade into new products without a loss in quality. It's a huge savings in material and energy cost to use recycled glass in the manufacture of new glass. If you have a recycling bin labeled "glass", absolutely do throw (place) glass b…

Remelting glass to make more glass is more energy intensive that making new glass. And waste glass is inert and doesn't e.g. enter the food chain.

Reusing glass is the way forward.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#195
post #163
post #6

This might be a dumb question, but: why don't we do glass-style bottles? I live in America now, but when I used to live in Pakistan 20 years ago, I remember that I would buy pepsi or coki in a glass bottle... and if I wanted to buy a second one, I would go back to the store and give them the old empty bottle, and they would compensate me a few pennies for it -- and the bottle then is presumably washed and reused. It'…

The most legitimate challenge is branding. Each company wants their own style bottle, maybe with a certain color to protect it from light, or maybe just with a certain visual appeal. If you have a universal bottle, they can be collected & reused anywhere. Pretty simple. But if the ten thousand different drink companies each have to collect, sort, & ship their bottles back to their processing plants that suddenly beco…

This could be standardised by the government if there is political will. Standard beer bottle, wine bottle, liqueur bottle etc. Non-standard bottle don't need to be banned, but surtaxed.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#196
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass is literally molten sand. It will break down just like the rock breaks down. It's not toxic or hazardous, except when it's freshly shattered, but these super sharp edges weather relatively quickly, after which they aren't any sharper than natural found rock. This not to say that we should just don't care and throw away glass anywhere we want, but it's really not a huge deal, unless you hate seeing glass pebbles…

> It's not toxic or hazardous, except when it's freshly shattered, but these super sharp edges weather relatively quickly, after which they aren't any sharper than natural found rock. Glass actually takes a long time to lose its sharp edge unless it's dumped in a river or the ocean, which is in fact a great way to dispose of glass. There really is no better way to dispose of garbage than dumping glass in the ocean...…

If you throw it into a water then somebody can step on it and hurt their feet.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#197
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass is essentially sand. Sure it may be sharp when it just broke, but it gets dull pretty fast in nature. Of all the things that got dumped onto this beach at Ft Bragg, glass was the least problematic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_Beach_(Fort_Bragg,_Calif...

additionally, isnt glass a semi natural occurring substance? Im pretty sure ive heard of lightning strikes in deserts/sand that created glass.

Glass is also created by volcanoes; we call that obsidian.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Landfills take up a lot of space. I saw a documentary about it (forgot the name of it). Humans waste so much and the trash keeps piling up. You can only dig so much.

Landfills are three dimensional and the Earth is astonishingly large. On millennia timescales, we will never run out of places to put them. At a depth of 400 feet, the entire US annual trash output is approximately 1,000 acre [1]. There are 37 billion acres on earth. And indeed, much of that is not very habitable land. And importantly, landfill space is not permanently lost. There are many beautiful parks around the…

The waste in the landfill produces toxic gases. Also it can burn and produce even more toxic gases. Even if the landfill is several kilometers away from homes, it is still dangerous.

Also, the waste can pollute underground waters, and if there are many rivers in the region, the water will be contaminated in a large area around.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#199

There is this strange belief that landfills are taking up a ton of space and we need to reduce landfill usage because of it. This is simply not true. Landfills don't take up much space, we have plenty.

I think there are much more important issues like space: Improperly constructed and maintained landfills (i.e. most of them) leak pollutants into the ground (water) and offgas significant quantities of methane. (No sources handy right now...)

This is currently an issue in Russia. Big cities like Moscow produce a lot of waste and the cheapest way to utilise it was to dump to a landfill in a countryside. Now people living nearby are protesting because the gases from the landfill are carried by the wind to their town several kilemeters away.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This all hinges on what you mean by “relatively fast”. If glass is being shattered and ends up being a hazard for years, this is much worse than a goopy old discarded plastic bottle, regardless of the perceived ugliness of the latter.

> this is much worse than a goopy old discarded plastic bottle No, over time the plastic bottle will weather into cell-scale microplastic particles and play indefinite havoc with local wildlife. Glass will not.

Glass will cut my feet and shred my tires. The wildlife is largely unaffected. There'd still be trees, birds, animals, etc. You're blowing it out of proportion.
Post reply on HN