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Why are we so pessimistic?

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Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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post #10

There's really no such thing as pessimism. People can only be: - realistic - optimistic (a.k.a. delusional)

Um, no. Very much no. Some optimism is delusion; but not all is. And your pessimism isn't realism, no matter how much you want to define it to be.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

#32
post #7

If you've always lived in a society where things are generally bad then it's likely that at present times things are getting better even if only slightly. On the other hand if you're living in places that have generally always been good, it's likely that things are starting to regress. Given that most of the people who comment about such things on social media and otherwise or likely from the latter camp, it's not su…

For many, the small disappointments have added up. Your school music program was cut, your college raised its costs, you just missed getting a good job, the recession cost you a promotion, wages haven't gone up. It's been a death by a thousand cuts for many people. We've stopped being optimistic.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

#33

Well, inevitably you die ?

Exactly. From our perspective, entropy is inevitable.

And this is true on many levels. Like, it's easier to wreck a car than build a car. Generally easier for bad things to happen than good. For good things, (and to avoid bad things) takes work, and there is limited capacity for that.

Of course we seldom stop to consider the amazing luck and circumstances that put us here in the first place.

But why should we? It's only temporary and in the rear view mirror anyway. Going forward we have the future to worry about. And the future is full of pitfalls. At least some of which are bound to get us.

From our perspective I do believe reality has a pessimistic bias. But sometimes maybe we should remember this is only our perspective.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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I can only share my experiences from playing open world MMOs with perma-death PVP. You can have 10 positive interactions with other players, but it only takes one bad interaction for your character to end up dead and gone. Immediately identifying those potentially bad situations as they unfold is of critical importance.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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I have another point of view here - there's power in overcoming adversity. Nearly every movie produced tells you that. But your average American doesn't face real adversity anymore. We are extremely comfortable. Extremely safe. But there's something inside us that needs this adversity, it needs to triumph, to overcome challenges. This is why we run marathons, punish ourselves in the gym, climb mountains. Some of us, at least. Most of us don't. So, we make up these stories in our minds. These fake enemies, these challenges-in-perception-only. If we can convince our social circles that these adversities are real (even absent the reality of ever actually experiencing them), well, we've put ourselves in a better place. We're victims. We're fighters. We're warriors!

That's a bit reductionist and dramatic, but when you cut through the bullshit, this is happening every single day around us. Nobody wants to admit how easy their life is, how very rare actual, significant adversities are. It's part of human nature. For the time being, at least.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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>Rosling’s “Factfulness” starts with a quiz of 12 questions—ranging from “How many children will there be in 2100?” to “In the last 20 years, the proportion of the world population living in extreme poverty has almost doubled, stabilized or reduced by half?”—to which he then applies his “chimpanzee test”—the likelihood that a random choice is superior to that of humans. Humans always seem to fail the test: even CEOs at the World Economic Forum.

That question about the number of children in 2100 really bothers me for some reason. Sure we can make some pretty reasonable projections, but they will be just that: projections. Even assuming no black swan events, the error bars 80 years from now have got to be enormous. The numbers could be wildly different depending on how bad climate change turns out, and what kinds of technologies we develop. If you're trying to prove that other people are overly pessimistic, it makes more sense to show that they are wrong about currently available data. Otherwise they can just say that your answer to the question is overly optimistic.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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I have another point of view here - there's power in overcoming adversity. Nearly every movie produced tells you that. But your average American doesn't face real adversity anymore. We are extremely comfortable. Extremely safe. But there's something inside us that needs this adversity, it needs to triumph, to overcome challenges. This is why we run marathons, punish ourselves in the gym, climb mountains. Some of us,…

I agree for many of us ... but I think 'life is not easy' for the bottom 50%.

Most people sling coffee, serve food, work in factories, panic around in delivery vehicles all day, and with one wrongs step or bad health outcome they could be in doom. Lack of job stability, longer retirement, lack of community ... these things take their tole. Kind of a permanent existential anxiety.

Just 'keeping on doing', facing the daily grind and all the little things, taking care of kids - without falling down (because the cost could be catastrophe) is actually 'facing adversity'.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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>Rosling’s “Factfulness” starts with a quiz of 12 questions—ranging from “How many children will there be in 2100?” to “In the last 20 years, the proportion of the world population living in extreme poverty has almost doubled, stabilized or reduced by half?”—to which he then applies his “chimpanzee test”—the likelihood that a random choice is superior to that of humans. Humans always seem to fail the test: even CEOs…

The article gives a bad summary of the actual question here https://www.gapminder.org/test-questions/how-many-children-w...

>In 1950 there were fewer than one billion children (aged 0-14) in the world. By 2000 there were almost two billion. How many do UN experts think there will be in 2100? 2bn 3bn or 4bn?

so it is asking about a present number.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russian propaganda canard is worrying, because it is this thought-terminator that prevents considering that there are actual people with real reasons for voting the way that they do. Are the Russian spy agencies conducting propaganda? Of course they are. Are they the reason Trump was elected, or people voted for Brexit, or the Yellow Vests are marching in Paris? Hell no.

With how close the election was, it's a very short jump to conclude that hacking the emails of both the party and campaign of one side successfully directed the narrative enough to flip the election. You can easily see here that Russian cyberattacks were effective in washing out any message by the target candidate: https://news.gallup.com/poll/195596/email-dominates-american...

To me, the point of any close election is to warn society that a massive proportion of the population is very unhappy with the status quo. In some ways, it's irrelevant if there is meddling to influence single digit percentages -- the real problem is that those unhappy people need to be understood and policies built to support them.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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I have another point of view here - there's power in overcoming adversity. Nearly every movie produced tells you that. But your average American doesn't face real adversity anymore. We are extremely comfortable. Extremely safe. But there's something inside us that needs this adversity, it needs to triumph, to overcome challenges. This is why we run marathons, punish ourselves in the gym, climb mountains. Some of us,…

I agree for many of us ... but I think 'life is not easy' for the bottom 50%. Most people sling coffee, serve food, work in factories, panic around in delivery vehicles all day, and with one wrongs step or bad health outcome they could be in doom. Lack of job stability, longer retirement, lack of community ... these things take their tole. Kind of a permanent existential anxiety. Just 'keeping on doing', facing the d…

Absolutely agree. I think everyone understands the relativity of perception when discussing "how hard things are" but that doesn't mean they put it into daily practice. It's very easy to get caught in your bubble.
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