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Why are we so pessimistic?

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Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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Hoped for a scientific study, got philosophical bla bla.

Yes, there are people, probably the author as well, who are resilient to actually seeing facts. Just as the joke about fat people and zombie apocalypses go: Be nice to them, they will save your life one day (by being crushed before you, thereby giving you a little more time to react).

Still I'm a little sad about the lost opportunity. It's also true that people who interact with reality usually are more pessimistic, but there should be ways to improve one's own outlook if one is smart enough to see reality and strong enough to not go crazy from it. This would be a worthy topic to study.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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I believe that pessimism is the greatest crisis facing humanity today. Yes, that includes climate change. It's just not possible for a civilization to make progress if everyone believes that the future will be worse and it's not possible to avoid it.

I actually think society as a whole is rather optimistic on climate change: currently we aren’t even trying to solve it policy wise. If we were more pessimistic, we would take preventative measures seriously. “Everyone believes the future will be worse and it’s not possible to avoid it” is a strawman, I think.

This is closer to reality. Even the UN, which has been criticized in the media as too alarmist, has likely been too optimistic: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43e8yp/the-uns-devastatin...

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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If you've always lived in a society where things are generally bad then it's likely that at present times things are getting better even if only slightly. On the other hand if you're living in places that have generally always been good, it's likely that things are starting to regress. Given that most of the people who comment about such things on social media and otherwise or likely from the latter camp, it's not su…

> it seems we are close to a tipping point where we may lose what semblance we had of a democracy.

Oh please. I grew up in a post-communist European country. You guys are doing great! Keep it up.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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Part of the reason for pessimism is that the enormous progress of recent centuries is due to a set of liberal political philosophical ideas that are being rejected by an increasing number of nations.

That implies that if the present political trends continue, then as some point in the coming decades progress for the world as a whole will reverse.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

#16

Humans have to assess all incoming information (gossip round the campfire, stirring in the long grass or twitter feeds) and aa strong bias to pay more attention to potential negatives in the environment will in general allow us to avoid disasters (like getting eaten) In our evolutionary environments that would be balanced out by "good fortune" - a old tree has just produced fruit perhaps, so we would get our optimism…

"In short what used to be good news (hey I got to eat today) is just normality and so that leaves just downsides (perhaps an analogy of a roller coaster with half of it underwater - being above water is taken for granted and so there is only dips down and long slow climbs back to normal.)."

I think it comes down to income inequality. A lot of people don't share in benefits of a rising economy so they become cynical and detached. The promise is that a rising tide lifts all boats but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. And I don't like the argument that people should be happy with having something to eat and water while the top few percent increase their income every year. This slowly rips society apart.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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post #13
post #7

If you've always lived in a society where things are generally bad then it's likely that at present times things are getting better even if only slightly. On the other hand if you're living in places that have generally always been good, it's likely that things are starting to regress. Given that most of the people who comment about such things on social media and otherwise or likely from the latter camp, it's not su…

> it seems we are close to a tipping point where we may lose what semblance we had of a democracy. Oh please. I grew up in a post-communist European country. You guys are doing great! Keep it up.

That’s exactly the problem though. Post-Soviet states money-bombing our politics out from underneath us. We know where that leads and don’t want it at all. Unfortunately they’re good at it so it’s taking time to vote our way out of the mess.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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I believe that pessimism is the greatest crisis facing humanity today. Yes, that includes climate change. It's just not possible for a civilization to make progress if everyone believes that the future will be worse and it's not possible to avoid it.

To me, it's our inability to solve climate change that makes me so pessimistic. Not because of the climate itself, but because of the ability of a smallish set of people completely insulated from reality to thoroughly prevent our ability to do anything about it.

Climate change is a relatively straightforward problem with a somewhat-less-straightforward set of solutions. Whatever solution we choose, it will involve a group effort. Few people want to take on the costs of it while everyone else benefits. And it just so happens that one set of people, among the very largest polluters, deny that it's even happening -- in a variety of mutually contradictory ways. Their failure is obvious and overwhelming, and they are a minority of the world, but it's sufficient to derail progress worldwide.

That's why I'm pessimistic. I used to believe that anybody that far out of touch with reality must surely be booted out of power sooner or later. I've been proven wrong: they gain more power by the day. And that one belief comes with a constellation of similar false beliefs, mutually reinforced, and each participant goading the other to proclaim the falsehoods more loudly.

I'm sorry that means I'm contributing to the problem you're citing, but I've only seen it get worse in my lifetime. The upward progress of the world had so much momentum that it took a long time to turn around, but the exponential increase in insanity means I just can't see any way that it doesn't do so.

I try, nonetheless, to behave as if I were optimistic. I do make my own small contributions to progress. But I expect to see them all wiped away or made irrelevant.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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post #5

I believe that pessimism is the greatest crisis facing humanity today. Yes, that includes climate change. It's just not possible for a civilization to make progress if everyone believes that the future will be worse and it's not possible to avoid it.

I actually think society as a whole is rather optimistic on climate change: currently we aren’t even trying to solve it policy wise. If we were more pessimistic, we would take preventative measures seriously. “Everyone believes the future will be worse and it’s not possible to avoid it” is a strawman, I think.

We've been lured into being overly cautious about the science, in order not to feed any snippet of false information to the idiot hordes that would seize on it and use it to discredit/distort what's actually happening.

Net result - the hordes are still being idiots, and the rest of the world is blundering on thinking things ain't that bad/action isn't that urgent.

Re: Why are we so pessimistic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it seems we are close to a tipping point where we may lose what semblance we had of a democracy. Oh please. I grew up in a post-communist European country. You guys are doing great! Keep it up.

That’s exactly the problem though. Post-Soviet states money-bombing our politics out from underneath us. We know where that leads and don’t want it at all. Unfortunately they’re good at it so it’s taking time to vote our way out of the mess.

The ability to vote your way out of this mess is pretty much the exact opposite of losing democracy.
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