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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems reasonable to transmit as much info, including who initiated the shutdown, at that point so that you can at least attempt to attribute the reason the transponder went offline.

How do you do that when power is ultimately controlled by a bank of physical breakers?

Maybe power it the way the black box is powered, a stand alone system that transmits location and data that is typically also logged to the black boxes.

I'm sure satellite coverage is an issue with getting data in remote areas, maybe SpaceX's StarLink system could provide a way to stream data from airliners in more locations.

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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>>as soon as MH370 disappeared from secondary radar, it turned sharply to the southwest, flew back across the Malay Peninsula, and banked around the island of Penang. From there it flew northwest up the Strait of Malacca and out across the Andaman Sea, where it faded beyond radar range into obscurity. That part of the flight took more than an hour to accomplish and suggested that this was not a standard case of a hij…

From the article: > Was this a hijacking? A hijacking is the “third party” solution favored in the official report. It is the least painful explanation for anyone in authority that night. It has immense problems, however. The main one is that the cockpit door was fortified, electrically bolted, and surveilled by a video feed that the pilots could see. Also, less than two minutes passed between Zaharie’s casual “good…

Yes, but none of that relates to the hour long series of turns that ended with the plane pointed towards the Indian Ocean. The quote I pasted referred to these events as not being indicative of a standard hijacking. Maybe it was just a poorly worded conclusion. There are definitely other reasons - primarily the anonymity and lack of any money changing hands.

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I remember watching the American news media go crazy over this airplane for around 1 month every night. The CNN anchor Don Lemon asked one of the 6 guests on his panel whether it was possible that the plane had been sucked into a black hole.

Dear god, you were not joking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVd7k1Uw6A

If I were the guest I would have said yes and seen how long I could keep that interview going

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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Langewiesche's a great author but this article doesn't add much in the way of new information from all the writing of the past three years. One off the record source about the pilot's mental state, that's about it. I happen to agree with his speculative conclusion, deliberate action by the pilot, but there's not really anything significant and new here to support it.

Not every article needs to add new information, some can provide value in summarizing the current information in a digestible way.

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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I remember watching the American news media go crazy over this airplane for around 1 month every night. The CNN anchor Don Lemon asked one of the 6 guests on his panel whether it was possible that the plane had been sucked into a black hole.

I always thought Don Lemon was an idiot. Thanks for giving me the final proof I needed.

FWIW, I'm neither American nor a Republican. I just really think the guy is an idiot.

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > Was this a hijacking? A hijacking is the “third party” solution favored in the official report. It is the least painful explanation for anyone in authority that night. It has immense problems, however. The main one is that the cockpit door was fortified, electrically bolted, and surveilled by a video feed that the pilots could see. Also, less than two minutes passed between Zaharie’s casual “good…

Yes, but none of that relates to the hour long series of turns that ended with the plane pointed towards the Indian Ocean. The quote I pasted referred to these events as not being indicative of a standard hijacking. Maybe it was just a poorly worded conclusion. There are definitely other reasons - primarily the anonymity and lack of any money changing hands.

Good point. Maybe he's just referring to the fact that the diversion was timed to coincide with the handoff, and not the entire series of maneuvers.

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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I remember watching the American news media go crazy over this airplane for around 1 month every night. The CNN anchor Don Lemon asked one of the 6 guests on his panel whether it was possible that the plane had been sucked into a black hole.

I always thought Don Lemon was an idiot. Thanks for giving me the final proof I needed. FWIW, I'm neither American nor a Republican. I just really think the guy is an idiot.

He also once blamed a rape victim:

https://time.com/3596105/don-lemon-bill-cosby-rape-myths/

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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William Langewiesche is a pilot himself, and has written many other articles over the last 2 decades detailing accident investigations (among other things). As much as the technical details, he often explains the organizational and political circumstances that are just as interesting. Some that stick with me: the late-90s ValuJet and EgyptAir crashes, and the Space Shuttle Columbia. https://www.theatlantic.com/author…

His book The Outlaw Sea is also a great read if you enjoyed this article and might find nautical incidents equally interesting.

Strongly seconded.

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Where Is It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > Was this a hijacking? A hijacking is the “third party” solution favored in the official report. It is the least painful explanation for anyone in authority that night. It has immense problems, however. The main one is that the cockpit door was fortified, electrically bolted, and surveilled by a video feed that the pilots could see. Also, less than two minutes passed between Zaharie’s casual “good…

Yes, but none of that relates to the hour long series of turns that ended with the plane pointed towards the Indian Ocean. The quote I pasted referred to these events as not being indicative of a standard hijacking. Maybe it was just a poorly worded conclusion. There are definitely other reasons - primarily the anonymity and lack of any money changing hands.

The "hour-long series of turns" themselves suggest that it was not a hijacking - one would expect a hijacked airplane to head towards its intended destination, regardless of the motive for the hijacking.

It does not seem likely that the path was intended to avoid detection, as it crosses Malaysia and was within range of Indonesian radar throughout that period, and it is rather implausible to suggest that these posited hijackers both wanted to be stealthy, yet chose a route that had no chance of achieving it. If these posited hijackers wanted their arrival at their intended destination to be a surprise, their best hope of achieving it would be to stage a hijacking on a flight close to that destination.

I guess one could suppose that this is the only flight the posited hijackers could hijack (suggesting help from insiders at the airline), and that the flight was intended to stay away from land as far as possible, but where, especially with that final turn, were they going? If their destination was, as has been suggested, Kazakhstan, they could hardly hope to avoid detection later in the flight. Nor would they be likely to suspect that the reporting of the disappearance of the flight would be delayed by hours.

The author did not say that this track proves it was not a hijacking, he wrote that it already "suggested that this was not a standard case of a hijacking."

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