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Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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>It enables faster transactions and reactions to the transaction states than regular currency. This is only true in the US, where the inter-bank financial system runs on mainframes and 40 year old code. The British banking system decided a while ago that they were going to update their bank communication system, and now they can send sums between bank accounts at different banks within 10 seconds.

10 seconds is still an two orders of magnitude too slow given many use cases and the technology which is currently available. I should be able to tap my card on a subway turnstile and have it open immediately such that the subway faces zero fraud risk. A centralized system should be limited only by RTT and there are ways to overcome even that via caching layers or cryptographic techniques. You want something sub 250m…

It doesn't need to be centralised, and it doesn't even need to be limited by RTT.

'Zero fraud risk': you cannot prevent people from finding loopholes. Every system breaks. Instead, you use the same techniques that have been used for centuries in finance: keep audit logs, make it possible to fix things later, and maybe try to catch the majority of possible attacks by adding more rules.

If you're processing tens of millions of transactions a second, you do not have a single point of truth. You have at least a cluster, ie. a distributed system. Fortunately finance grew up before automatic computing and telecoms even existed, so its algorithms and systems run just fine (FSpecificVO) at less than 1 FLOP/S with communication latencies measured in weeks.

So you might as well just collect transactions locally, then sort them out as a batch job in the evening, with a percent or two price hike to cover liabilities due to fraud.

Last time I went anywhere near London, they had the instant payment system working down there in the Tube.

It's not centralised and none of the important stuff is necessarily low-latency, but it seems to work fine anyway.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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Bitcoin mining wasn't invented just to be an egalitarian "everyone can earn money from their computer" sort of thing. The decentralized design that Bitcoin uses needs people to do lots of processing work, the people doing this work need to be incentivized somehow to keep doing that, and then somehow the units of the new currency need to be distributed out, presumably in a way fairer than just starting Satoshi out wit…

"The decentralized design that Bitcoin uses needs people to do lots of processing work" You should try reading Satoshi's white paper which explains what that processing work is. (hint: there's not really any processing outside of generating a bunch of random worthless nonces in the hope that one nonce will be accepted as a winning lottery number) The Proof of Work "algorithm" is completely unnecessary for processing…

>The Proof of Work "algorithm" is completely unnecessary for processing transactions

The Distributed Systems community awaits your proposal for a solution to Byzantine Fault Tolerance in open, decentralized, adversarial networks. Why would you withhold an alternative solution to PoW?

>The PoW filter is a psychological tool for "governance" (write access) to the database, granted now exclusively to wealthy capital holders.

No amount of PoW allows a block producer to write data to a node that a node operator hasn't consented to accept by their choice of consensus rules. Your argument is "capital holders" can force consumers to purchase whatever they produce. Consumers induce producers. Producers cannot induce consumers. Producers can /speculate/ that latent consumption may exist but without purchasing consumers, production will eventually end.

>why someone would design a currency system in objection to banks, that inevitably restricts control of the entire network only to existing capital?

Money warehouses and credit creators (banks) are not capital. Capital is the product of work / R&D / creation.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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Anything is Possible with Bitcoin ᵗᵐ Except something as simple as increasing the block size to allow Bitcoin to process more than 7 transactions a second (Visa handles 42,000 tx/s comparatively). Theoretically it is possible, but the way Bitcoin is designed puts changes in control of people who stand to profit from preventing certain changes (i.e. Tragedy of the commons) like block size increases - and they are bloc…

So is that a "yes, it's possible" or "no, it's impossible"? "Theoretically it's possible" sounds like it's possible. Saying "here are some examples of things that didn't happen" doesn't prove that they, or anything else, can't happen.

Yes it is possible and it is already done on Bitcoin SV (original bitcoin). Recently 128 MB block were mined as a proof that bitcoin can scale to hundreds of thousands of transactions per second

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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How is it inferior to Ecash? FB's coin is not meant to provide anonymity features like Ecash did, but that's just a design choice. Other than that, Ecash is often suspected to have died due to the lack of reach and partnerships, which is not something FB lacks. So far, FB's coin looks very interesting. >Facebook’s currency is not a successor of Bitcoin Yeah the title is just low-quality clickbait; it's got nothing to…

What makes this a cryptocurrency? It should be called facebook giftcard.

It isn't a cryptocurrency. It's just a digital currency.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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This is a really stupid thing to say. SV coins are SV coins, not BTC coins. Their chains don't interact and can't inflate each other, so pointing out that there are multiple blockchains doesn't make any sense.

The point is that all of these random tokens are functionally identical from the perspective of most users. If you're claiming there's a hard limit on the number of limited edition funko pop action figures produced, you'd better be able to explain what makes them any different than these other identical clones. It'd be like if counterfeit designer clothes were actually indistinguishable from the "real" ones, and argu…

>all of these random tokens are functionally identical from the perspective of most users.

If a clone of Bitcoin is identical to Bitcoin then why does Bitcoin trade 25x the price of a clone? Your argument would cary weight if the protocol and price facets were similar. The market says otherwise.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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The reason for Bitcoin’s design is precisely because a centralized/pegged alternative was tried and failed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecash Facebook’s currency is not a successor of Bitcoin, it’s an inferior reincarnation of a failed predecessor.

The Libra whitepaper is supposed to debut this month, so I guess we'll see to what extent it's a true cryptocurrency.

I wish Libra was building on an Ethereum scaling technology, like Plasma, but most likely it's a new standalone proof-of-authority blockchain where the validators are the hundred companies investing $10M each.

In terms of the sliding scale between centralized and decentralized, Ethereum v1 and Bitcoin are considered to be "pretty much impossible to change history"; Ethereum v2 is expected to be "extremely impossible to change history"; but Libra would require only that the hundred companies agree to a process by which history can be changed: Libra will be very centralized in practice and while it might and I hope help take crypto mainstream, Libra is not a substitute for Ethereum's secure base layer.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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If it is pegged to USD, there is no investment potential. It is just as bad as cash. The idea behind bitcoin is that you don't need to rely on the US government for storing value. There are 21,000,000 BTC ever ever, you can't print more. That article did not address this at all. This is the most compelling reason to buy bitcoin.

No one should have to buy Bitcoin when you can mine it, oh wait it's all being printed in warehouses owned by wealthy capital holders. Surely this is Satoshi's design goal. Also don't worry about the exchanges operating out of obscure off shore islands, they probably arn't operating fractional reserves.

You can rent their hardware via Nicehash etc and mine it yourself if that's your thing.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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If it's a fork then it's not BTC

BTC forks all the time. Almost every new version of the code is technically a fork. It's just the forks usually have a single branch.

That is not what a fork means

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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Facebook is trusted by billions of people every day. I would trust them with a crypto wallet more than any of the crypto exchanges that have been hacked in the past.

Well, Facebook has a pretty poor history with regard to security, so I'm not so sure either way.

Do they ?

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

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I don't really understand the upside to an FB stablecoin, but maybe I'm missing something. Why would I want FB to be the store of my money instead of FDIC-backed banks if the value and purchasing power is going to be identical?

You don't have to store your whole net worth in it, just use it as a hot wallet. In China you go buy some noodles and you pay via WeChat (a chat app). Facebook wants to do the same, you'll be able to split bills/send money via FB/Whatsapp with a couple of clicks.
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