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Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by eesmith »

kd0amg wrote: post #49
eesmith wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you clarify what 'one tenured faculty role' means? The link you gave says "The granting of Tenure, discussed in “Tenure and Promotion on the Charles River Campus”, is a separate guarantee that is not implied by any of the titles discussed in this section." The tenure document, for example, says that 'The award of tenure to an Assistant Professor shall include promotion to the rank of Associate Professor.' So 't…

I think GP is using "role" to mean the collection of tasks/functions performed by a person rather than their job title. As far as I can tell, duties and incentives don't change as much when going from associate to full professor as when going from assistant to associate.

Thanks. I think I'm getting stuck on "The tenured faculty" rather than simply "tenure".

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by ineedasername »

analog31 wrote: post #46
ineedasername wrote: post #30

Adjunct/non-tenure faculty should be kept in mind. Depending on the school, somewhere between 40% and 70% is quite typical for instructors that are not paid a salaried wage. Instead, they typically received a certain amount per course taught. The overall average for this is about $3,000/course, but I believe this is brought down by small private & for-profit schools. At a typical public school $4000/course is a good…

I was an adjunct for one semester, many years ago. I mentioned my experiences to my mom, who is a retired high school teacher. Her response: "Now you know why teachers have a union."

>It's even worse than you paint it, for a lot of adjuncts.

Yes, I specifically showed an optimistic picture of adjunct work so it didn't seem like I was tanking the numbers, but I should have said as much. I've gone back and edited it to reflect that my presentation is more of a best-case scenario.

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by chrisseaton »

rconti wrote: post #42
chrisseaton wrote: post #2

Something important to note when reading this is that at a university in the US, almost everyone is a professor. That's why these pay ranges are so wide - they include both very junior part-time staff and very senior world-class full-time staff.

That couldn't be less true. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. Obviously not "everyone" is a professor when you mix in facilities and administrative staff. If you're trying to more narrowly say "all instructors are considered professors", that's not true at any institution type, not even R1 (major research Universities) https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/10112018%20Data%20S...

My understanding that almost all academics with tenure and even many without in the US calls themselves a ‘professor.’

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that PDF - it doesn't even mention the word!

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by kgwgk »

chrisseaton wrote: post #53
rconti wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That couldn't be less true. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. Obviously not "everyone" is a professor when you mix in facilities and administrative staff. If you're trying to more narrowly say "all instructors are considered professors", that's not true at any institution type, not even R1 (major research Universities) https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/10112018%20Data%20S...

My understanding that almost all academics with tenure and even many without in the US calls themselves a ‘professor.’ I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that PDF - it doesn't even mention the word!

How often do “very junior part-time staff” have tenure?

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by chrisseaton »

kgwgk wrote: post #54
chrisseaton wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding that almost all academics with tenure and even many without in the US calls themselves a ‘professor.’ I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that PDF - it doesn't even mention the word!

How often do “very junior part-time staff” have tenure?

They normally wouldn't.

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by mcguire »

sct202 wrote: post #26
chrisseaton wrote: post #2

Something important to note when reading this is that at a university in the US, almost everyone is a professor. That's why these pay ranges are so wide - they include both very junior part-time staff and very senior world-class full-time staff.

My sister was a doctor at a hospital affiliated with a local public state university (similar to the ones in the dataset) and was listed as a professor on publicly available salary databases because she would train interns and residents for them. She definitely wasn't a professor in the traditional research sense but she was teaching in a way.

In the US, professors come in different grades: full professors, assistant professors, associate professors, etc. (https://maniagnosis.crsr.net/2016/02/a-short-guide-to-academ...)

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by mynameishere »

analog31 wrote: post #46
ineedasername wrote: post #30

Adjunct/non-tenure faculty should be kept in mind. Depending on the school, somewhere between 40% and 70% is quite typical for instructors that are not paid a salaried wage. Instead, they typically received a certain amount per course taught. The overall average for this is about $3,000/course, but I believe this is brought down by small private & for-profit schools. At a typical public school $4000/course is a good…

I was an adjunct for one semester, many years ago. I mentioned my experiences to my mom, who is a retired high school teacher. Her response: "Now you know why teachers have a union."

Because the price determined by the market is wrong. Wrong!

I wish taxpayers had a union.

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by babyslothzoo »

ineedasername wrote: post #30

Adjunct/non-tenure faculty should be kept in mind. Depending on the school, somewhere between 40% and 70% is quite typical for instructors that are not paid a salaried wage. Instead, they typically received a certain amount per course taught. The overall average for this is about $3,000/course, but I believe this is brought down by small private & for-profit schools. At a typical public school $4000/course is a good…

> Adjunct/non-tenure faculty should be kept in mind.

Absolutely. Most adjuncts and non-tenured professors are paid surprisingly low wages, and many colleges are relying more and more on them (probably because they're so much cheaper).

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by ordinaryradical »

ineedasername wrote: post #30

Adjunct/non-tenure faculty should be kept in mind. Depending on the school, somewhere between 40% and 70% is quite typical for instructors that are not paid a salaried wage. Instead, they typically received a certain amount per course taught. The overall average for this is about $3,000/course, but I believe this is brought down by small private & for-profit schools. At a typical public school $4000/course is a good…

Adjuncts are the glue that keeps our university system from shattering—they keep departments alive even as the number of tenure jobs dwindle and administration swells.

Ask yourself: how does one pay off six figures of accumulated undergraduate and graduate debt on 25 grand a year? Answer: you never do. Now imagine that you get to compete with hundreds of other PhDs entering the workforce for this "privilege."

Adjuncting is a silent scandal and the entire university system deserves to burn for it.

Re: How much are professors paid?

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Post by rflrob »

azhenley wrote: post #44

When I was on the academic job market in 2017/2018, most of the CS faculty positions I was applying to paid between 95-115k as the 9 month salary. So with summary salary from your startup funds/grants it would pay a total salary of 115-140k (assuming 2 months summer salary, which is common). That is not bad. The university/department ranking seemed to affect the salary only a little. The cost of living surprisingly a…

Anecdotally based on some skimming of the California version of the salary database, there seems to be greater variation between fields than between universities. My wife is in the humanities, and the mid-career salaries of the professors at UCs in her field seem to be about the starting range for UC professors in mine (biology).

If you are currently tenure track at an R1, I would expect that most of your other offers were from a similar tier. So while there may not be a huge difference in salaries between the top-ranked and the 30th ranked school in your discipline, there likely is one between the 30th ranked and the 300th or 1,000th. I'd be curious to see the analysis in the linked article run on the California data, where there are multiple top-tier research universities as well an extensive CSU system. Maybe I'm even the person to do that analysis...

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