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Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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Replace with glass and aluminum, with what's left over burn it. That way it has no way of creating any other problems in the future. If you are efficient with burning it you could even capture the greenhouse gasses produced as a result and sequester those.

Glass as is too heavy. Penn and Teller did a bull shit on recycling. Only aluminum is good for consumer packaging wrt recycling.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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As someone who rides a bicycle and hikes, glass bottles are the bane of my existence.

Get reusable plastic ones and decant then.

I think their concern is others’ disposal of the glass on trails.

Edit: though I do dislike the idea of biking with glass bottles, especially in a backpack. A plastic container absorbs impact and can make falls safer. Not so much for a glass container.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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The first time I really started thinking about this was years ago after watching the recycling episode of "Penn & Teller: Bullshit" where they essentially warn that many recycling programs consist of shipping our waste elsewhere for someone else to deal with and that some day the countries we send our "recycling"/waste to will likely get sick of it and start rejecting it and we'll be fucked. That was almost 10 years…

I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong in sending materials elsewhere for cheap sorting or re-manufacturing.

Especially when ships and containers are going that way empty anyway.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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People often mention hygiene and complicated logistics as the reason disposable plastic packaging was adopted. I think as with lots of other examples through history, it is hard to know beforehand the negativities of an application of technology.

Hygiene? You can safely clean glassware with the most aggressive of chemicals, then maybe run it through an autoclave for extra safety. Funny that people complain about glassware hygiene while chugging phtalate-infused beverages from plastic bottles.

Of course you can, but there is a history:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/penny-lick-ice-cream

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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Why can't the US develop domestic waste-processing capabilities? We could be generating power from incineration plants.

Pollution control standards make incineration expensive.

It’s not like the US is going to run out of land for landfills.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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From what I understand, shipping containers are sent out from Asia stuffed with goods, but there isn't nearly as much going in the other direction. The containers need to go back whether they're full or not, which is why it ends up being so cheap to ship plastic. And the CO2 caused doesn't really change as a result. To the rest of your point though, I agree. My wife is a hardline recycler. I generally am too, but I h…

Cargo ships are designed to float at a certain level in the water - if they're too empty they carry ballast instead. This causes it's own problems - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_water_discharge_and_th...

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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Why can't the US develop domestic waste-processing capabilities? We could be generating power from incineration plants.

Pollution control standards make incineration expensive. It’s not like the US is going to run out of land for landfills.

Yes but can't you have a closed system that compacts the exhaust into solid matter?

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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Pollution control standards make incineration expensive. It’s not like the US is going to run out of land for landfills.

Yes but can't you have a closed system that compacts the exhaust into solid matter?

For some things (like SO2), yes. But not easy for CO2.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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Hygiene? You can safely clean glassware with the most aggressive of chemicals, then maybe run it through an autoclave for extra safety. Funny that people complain about glassware hygiene while chugging phtalate-infused beverages from plastic bottles.

Most "aggressive of chemicals" doesn´t sound too good...

I meant to point out that glass is inert in most conditions, be it chemicals, heat, UV radiation, etc.

Meanwhile, plastic containers are easily damaged by heat or UV light, and contaminate their contents.

Re: Asian countries take a stand against the rich world’s plastic waste

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post #28

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Hygiene? You can safely clean glassware with the most aggressive of chemicals, then maybe run it through an autoclave for extra safety. Funny that people complain about glassware hygiene while chugging phtalate-infused beverages from plastic bottles.

Most "aggressive of chemicals" doesn´t sound too good...

Depends, are you the kind of person who considers "this product is not for sale in California" to be a feature or a warning?
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