Live data from Hacker News

Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

bloomberg.com

61–70 of 262 posts

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#61
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are 21,000,000 BTC ever ever, you can't print more Untrue. More could easily be printed if that is what the leadership/community wanted.

Let's take a vote! Who votes to increase the 21M cap, devaluing your own holdings? Sir, it appears the nays have it..

Unforeseen future circumstances could make people more amenable to any kind of changes imaginable. Either way, saying that it's impossible to print more is just not true.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#62
This appears to be:

1. Pegged to USD 2. Controlled by a central entity 3. Tied to a social media account

So it has very little to do with currencies like bitcoin (it certainly violates the spirit of them, even if it chooses to reproduce some of the morphology), but they are IMO associating it with cryptocurrencies for publicity and more importantly in the hope of avoiding regulation by confounding regulators for long enough to become established de-facto amongst consumers.

Banks and payment networks like Visa/Mastercard/Paypal should be most worried by this, as it will be designed to cut them out of transactions between users, advertisers, readers of media/news entirely - load up your account with Facebook coins (have they really called it 'Libra coin'?!?), and merchants will not have to pay mastercard, but they'll have to pay Facebook fees to accept your payment.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are 21,000,000 BTC ever ever, you can't print more Untrue. More could easily be printed if that is what the leadership/community wanted.

Go back and read the whitepaper that's not how this works.

There's lots of things in Bitcoin that aren't in the whitepaper. The BTC chain is just what most people are agreeing on at the time. It is extremely mutable. The BTC mining limit is as mutable as anything else in the network.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> It is just as bad as cash. You mean that it is as good as cash. Bitcoin become a failed project, a big internet casino. Some people want to use digital money to make payments and get paid, you know? The success of the facebook coins depends by the ways to redeem the tokens(i.e do other shops accept it, can they be cashed out at atm, can you use it with 3rd party wallets etc)

Bitcoin has not failed. I know several people personally that are paid in it. They can also use it to buy things.

The bar for success in your mind is suspiciously low.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's correct, so anything that isn't generally accepted doesn't have the same support or value. To date there have not been any legitimate forks that I'm aware of.

Who decides what's a legitimate fork? There have already been several forks, some of which maintain trading value.

The first part is consensus. The most supported one maintains the original name. The second part is support and use. Even though other forks have a cost, does not mean they are legitimate. I'm not sure if you've heard of Craig Wright, Calvin Ayre, and Roger Ver, but they are majority holders of these forks and control supply and therefore price. I will not go into a huge lengthy discussion about this here, if you Google this there are others that can provide more information and explain this much better than me.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#66
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin has not failed. I know several people personally that are paid in it. They can also use it to buy things.

The bar for success in your mind is suspiciously low.

What would your bar for success be? I was merely responding in a way that met the parents comments.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#68

This appears to be: 1. Pegged to USD 2. Controlled by a central entity 3. Tied to a social media account So it has very little to do with currencies like bitcoin (it certainly violates the spirit of them, even if it chooses to reproduce some of the morphology), but they are IMO associating it with cryptocurrencies for publicity and more importantly in the hope of avoiding regulation by confounding regulators for long…

>payment networks like Visa/Mastercard/Paypal should be most worried by this

I don't think they're worried seeing that they're some of the biggest investors in the project https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebooks-new-cryptocurrency-ge...

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#69
post #58
post #53

I don't really understand the upside to an FB stablecoin, but maybe I'm missing something. Why would I want FB to be the store of my money instead of FDIC-backed banks if the value and purchasing power is going to be identical?

If they can move your money cheaper than credit and debit card networks. That is the only part I'm interested in. Given they are partnered with PayPal though, I'm not hopeful on it being low fee.

That makes sense, but when buying things, the price of those networks is opaque to the consumer and things won't get cheaper for consumers if a business is selling to both "traditional" purchasers and FBcoin purchasers.

Re: Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency: Privacy and stability concerns

#70
I can grasp the idea that Facebook would want to capture more payments like WeChat does; what I can't figure is how having their own cryptocurrency would add anything. Whom does it appeal to? I doubt Facebook wants the drug dealer/money launderer market segment for example. (I also doubt it'll be secure or anonymous enough to satisfy those people.) And it's no good for speculators, if it's pegged. Seems like at best it's just a novelty or gimmick that maybe gets a few more people to try it out for giggles.

Using the term "innovation" might be a bit too generous here. Not that combining two things that already exist can't be innovative. When the boomers combined "white music" with "black music" they got rock and roll. But this is Facebook + crypto, two things that suck. (Apologies.)

Post reply on HN