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Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201906/17/WS5d06d79ca3103d...

> Among these social groups was an alliance of more than 30 local political, business and legal dignitaries who support the proposed amendments to the SAR's extradition law. Why does anyone in HK support the amendments (or is this fake news)?

Some in Hong Kong are willing to sell out the region's independence and principles for the recent economic growth brought by being the PRC's sidecar.

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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Maybe you ought to read CNN for a more nuanced view on this. People claiming everyone is against this, ought to remember that it fits with long term policies of the current government in Hong Kong. Someone must have elected them. > Seen in light of this pattern of conduct by Hong Kong's government, the extradition bill is nothing new. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/11/opinions/hong-kong-protes...

> Someone must have elected them.

Beijing did. Hong-Kong isn't a democracy.

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201906/17/WS5d06d79ca3103d...

> Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion of unlawful assembly, assaulting police, disorderly conduct in a public place, and other riot-related offenses, according to the police.

Protestors were arrested while being treated in hospitals, because the police used a backdoor that the Hospital Authority installed in hospitals: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/17/police-can-access-full...

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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Maybe you ought to read CNN for a more nuanced view on this. People claiming everyone is against this, ought to remember that it fits with long term policies of the current government in Hong Kong. Someone must have elected them. > Seen in light of this pattern of conduct by Hong Kong's government, the extradition bill is nothing new. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/11/opinions/hong-kong-protes...

No, I'm afraid you are incorrect. Also the quality of reporting from CNN is extremely suspect these days, and you must be especially careful when reading opinion pieces written by Chinese nationals, as there is a large, well funded program by the Chinese government to coordinate opinions and opinion leaders among Chinese expat communities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-chie...

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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2 million, according to some estimates. From the images, it definitely looked more than the 1m that were out in the streets last week.

Yes, maybe a quarter of the population. It's insane, and inspiring, the strength of the opposition. BTW, for better coverage of HK news I recommend the HK Free Press: https://www.hongkongfp.com

Tom Grundy, the creator of HKFP, has an agenda (as do most news outlets).

I balance HKFP with RTHK and Apple Daily (easier if you can read Cantonese). I don't trust blantantly pro-China outlets, like Sina.

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Among these social groups was an alliance of more than 30 local political, business and legal dignitaries who support the proposed amendments to the SAR's extradition law. Why does anyone in HK support the amendments (or is this fake news)?

That is the point. The people of Hong Kong are marching to protest China's new extradition policy. https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/06/16/hong-kong-protes... China Daily is trying to almost completely misrepresent the reason for the protests. The only way they could make it more "opposite day" is by calling the protest a celebration festival for the love of Chinese authority in Hong Kong. The funny thing about t…

Well, there's a bipartisan bill that threatens to abolish HK's treatment as separate from mainland China for trade purposes, if HK's autonomy becomes insufficient.

(And, I despise Ted Cruz, but kudos for supporting that bill.)

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/14/us-senators-table-bill...

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201906/17/WS5d06d79ca3103d...

> Among these social groups was an alliance of more than 30 local political, business and legal dignitaries who support the proposed amendments to the SAR's extradition law. Why does anyone in HK support the amendments (or is this fake news)?

The establishment (somewhat aligned with "pro-Beijing" camp) has more than half seats (43/70) in HK's Legislative Council. Goverment bills require simple majority in the Council to pass. Establishment's support guaranteed that the bill would have passed.

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

#28
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http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201906/17/WS5d06d79ca3103d...

> Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion of unlawful assembly, assaulting police, disorderly conduct in a public place, and other riot-related offenses, according to the police. Protestors were arrested while being treated in hospitals, because the police used a backdoor that the Hospital Authority installed in hospitals: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/17/police-can-access-full...

Also "Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion" is a pretty low percentage of incidents for a 2 million or so strong protest. That to me sounds like pretty good evidence that it's largely very peaceful.

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

#29
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, maybe a quarter of the population. It's insane, and inspiring, the strength of the opposition. BTW, for better coverage of HK news I recommend the HK Free Press: https://www.hongkongfp.com

Tom Grundy, the creator of HKFP, has an agenda (as do most news outlets). I balance HKFP with RTHK and Apple Daily (easier if you can read Cantonese). I don't trust blantantly pro-China outlets, like Sina.

For readers of English, there's not that much left: SCMP (bought by Alibaba recently), and the free (ad-financed) The Standard.

Can you elaborate on Grundy's agenda? Anything beyond pro-democracy, civil liberties, etc.?

Re: I don’t need The Onion, I have China Daily

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion of unlawful assembly, assaulting police, disorderly conduct in a public place, and other riot-related offenses, according to the police. Protestors were arrested while being treated in hospitals, because the police used a backdoor that the Hospital Authority installed in hospitals: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/17/police-can-access-full...

Also "Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion" is a pretty low percentage of incidents for a 2 million or so strong protest. That to me sounds like pretty good evidence that it's largely very peaceful.

Cracking down on a massive popular protest against overreach would just be counter productive to Chinese interests. My guess is that these eleven are not just random protesters, but were either identified as leaders or will be used to send a message.
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