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SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

#31
The fact that ACH is slow is a feature not a bug. Remember that when people want to speed up money transfers.

> After a couple of days, our bank reversed the $25,000 charge and told us that the fraud department caught the ACH withdrawal before it was fully processed so that neither my family nor the bank lost this money forever.

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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Anyone who wants to defend themselves, consider using U2F where you can and Google Advanced Protection. I just recently picked up a bluetooth security key because one is needed to log an iPhone into an account using advanced protection; there is no SMS backup loophole. The Titan key bundle comes with a bluetooth and USB key, which is enough to get started, though frankly you probably want a couple additional backup k…

Why not "defend" yourself by not relying on gmail? It's not exactly the first time this has happened.

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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A few suggestions:

1) Call your cellphone carrier and ask to set up a password/PIN to be used for when you call into the customer service phone number.

2) Consider your phone number and SIM card insecure. The phone carriers are ignoring the SIM swap problem even though they know how much damage it's causing. Give your phone number to as few companies as possible. Phone services such as Google Voice work without a SIM card, so they are less prone to problems. Give out such a phone number if necessary.

3) Don't use text message verification codes as 2FA. Use an authentication app, such as Google Authenticator.

4) You can retake possession of your hacked Gmail account by providing one of the previously used passwords. No need to have a working phone.

5) Ask yourself, what will happen if you lose both your laptop and your phone at once? Do you have things set up in a way where you can get back into your digital life? Someone can break into your home while you're away, the government can confiscate them at the airport, etc.

6) Check what email addresses you have configured as backup auth methods for your Gmail. Those accounts can be used as a means of access by a hacker.

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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post #33
post #12

Anyone who wants to defend themselves, consider using U2F where you can and Google Advanced Protection. I just recently picked up a bluetooth security key because one is needed to log an iPhone into an account using advanced protection; there is no SMS backup loophole. The Titan key bundle comes with a bluetooth and USB key, which is enough to get started, though frankly you probably want a couple additional backup k…

Why not "defend" yourself by not relying on gmail? It's not exactly the first time this has happened.

What’s better? Serious question. Very few companies spend as much on security as Google. You have to do your part and configure something like Advanced Protection, but if someone’s going to go to all the effort listed in the article, which provider would be a better bet?

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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Anyone who wants to defend themselves, consider using U2F where you can and Google Advanced Protection. I just recently picked up a bluetooth security key because one is needed to log an iPhone into an account using advanced protection; there is no SMS backup loophole. The Titan key bundle comes with a bluetooth and USB key, which is enough to get started, though frankly you probably want a couple additional backup k…

Why doesn't Google get rid of SMS recovery completely? It's a huge security flaw that can be easily exploited.

I have no idea what the pros and cons are and certainly can’t speak for why. However, I think the existence of the Advanced Protection Program is definitely acknowledgment that the SMS backup is not secure enough for everyone.

The thing is, not long ago I had no issue recovering my account if it got compromised. I think attackers today have gotten better at finding ways to beat the system. One thing I’ve seen, albeit I don’t know if it works on Google accounts, is enabling high security after stealing an account, effectively making recovery very hard.

Though, I can’t really speculate on if that’s what’s going on here.

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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post #28
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Anyone who wants to defend themselves, consider using U2F where you can and Google Advanced Protection. I just recently picked up a bluetooth security key because one is needed to log an iPhone into an account using advanced protection; there is no SMS backup loophole. The Titan key bundle comes with a bluetooth and USB key, which is enough to get started, though frankly you probably want a couple additional backup k…

Why doesn't Google get rid of SMS recovery completely? It's a huge security flaw that can be easily exploited.

Probably because the more barriers you put in the way of scams, social engineering, etc. the harder you make it for people to legitimately get back into their accounts and the more likely it is that you'll instead read stories about how someone "forgot their credentials and lost access to everything in their account and Google won't do anything about it."

No opinion on SMS specifically but there are tradeoffs.

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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The industry needs to learn that sms 2fa is not secure because getting a sim for someone else is so easy. And this happening in every country.

I would say that for the average user sms 2FA is secure enough. P.S. I might have a different perspective as where i am from, there really aren't important services (banks etc.) that are using sms 2FA. Mobile operators doesn't ship SIM cards over mail, you can get a new SIM only in person providing ID (or PIN/PUK in case of prepaid cards). Probably my country is just too small market for these kind of attacks so i fe…

It wasn't secure enough for the author of this article.

Re: SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help

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post #30
post #8

The industry needs to learn that sms 2fa is not secure because getting a sim for someone else is so easy. And this happening in every country.

I would say that for the average user sms 2FA is secure enough. P.S. I might have a different perspective as where i am from, there really aren't important services (banks etc.) that are using sms 2FA. Mobile operators doesn't ship SIM cards over mail, you can get a new SIM only in person providing ID (or PIN/PUK in case of prepaid cards). Probably my country is just too small market for these kind of attacks so i fe…

Depends on what it’s protecting, for example banks using it isn’t, as it’s a common enough attack vector it’s appeared on consumer programs on TV fairly often and they had to introduce a law to allow people to be refunded in cases of sim swap.
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