Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
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Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#2I think the reason so many people have mixed feelings about Java is that "Java" is actually several things:
- The Java language
- The Java API (and/or whatever set of libraries you're using)
- The Java ecosystem, tooling, etc.
- The sorts of work typically done these days with Java
It's perfectly possible for one person to feel strongly one way about some of those aspects while feeling strongly the other way about others.
For instance, I'm quite fond of the Java language, I mildly dislike the Java API (in how bloated it's become), I'm ambivalent about the ecosystem, and I do my best to avoid the "Enterprise Software" CRUD-churn that Java development often entails (although this might have changed, it's been a while since I did Java commercially.)
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#3Why are the links larger than the body text on mobile? It’s so annoying trying to read this whole article. Especially when one of the links is pushing their commercial support of Java.
Good design and java rarely go hand in hand. These small details matter. I don’t think it’s a mistake that Ruby, JS, Rust, Elixir, etc attract people with good design sensibilities which is reflected in their blog posts, websites, and also API designs, documentation, etc.
But otherwise this articles content is not bad, I think we all know why Java and C++ are so popular. It’s one of the first questions every programmer learns their first year programming. This article is a good summary of why. The fact both C++ and Java got things like Lambdas and other modern stuff in recent years is great, but they are obviously incredibly late to the game. Which makes you wonder how long until the other good things will take. Maybe that whole backwards compatibility with decades of some questionable code being a dead weight dragging down the language is one of the reasons why people hate it? You can repaint a broken down house but that doesn’t mean it’s as good as the new house next door.
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#4Why are the links larger than the body text on mobile? It’s so annoying trying to read this whole article. Especially when one of the links is pushing their commercial support of Java. Good design and java rarely go hand in hand. These small details matter. I don’t think it’s a mistake that Ruby, JS, Rust, Elixir, etc attract people with good design sensibilities which is reflected in their blog posts, websites, and…
It’s not the language that is the problem. It’s more to do with just how many people use Java, and it being so ubiquitous results greater numbers of poor quality coders. Lesser known/adopted languages tend to be picked up by those who are already good at developing and designing.
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#5I think the reason so many people have mixed feelings about Java is that "Java" is actually several things: - The Java language - The Java API (and/or whatever set of libraries you're using) - The Java ecosystem, tooling, etc. - The sorts of work typically done these days with Java It's perfectly possible for one person to feel strongly one way about some of those aspects while feeling strongly the other way about ot…
Not a die hard java/go-or-anything entusiast, but replace the name Java with Go and you have the exact same thing.
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#6My only problem with Java is how it’s written. Enterprise java tends to be abstracted to absurd levels. I prefer a more direct approach.
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#7Why are the links larger than the body text on mobile? It’s so annoying trying to read this whole article. Especially when one of the links is pushing their commercial support of Java. Good design and java rarely go hand in hand. These small details matter. I don’t think it’s a mistake that Ruby, JS, Rust, Elixir, etc attract people with good design sensibilities which is reflected in their blog posts, websites, and…
Any language that will survive as much as Java or C++ will accumulate some baggage, even your cool shine new language will look outdated 20 years from now to the new cool programmers.
Look at other examples, CSS - full of bad examples on how do do X, JS - a lot of bad parts, missing core stuff like importing modules , Python - it had is issue caused by some old decisions that caused a lot of pain when migrating version 3.
My point a 5 old years new language will eventually have similar issue in 10-15 years
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#8My only problem with Java is how it’s written. Enterprise java tends to be abstracted to absurd levels. I prefer a more direct approach.
Nothing stopping you from doing that. For HTTP some of the newer frameworks like javalin or spark encourage it and get close to flask or Go levels of simplicity. Chose you own JSON parser, connection pool etc...
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#9Why are the links larger than the body text on mobile? It’s so annoying trying to read this whole article. Especially when one of the links is pushing their commercial support of Java. Good design and java rarely go hand in hand. These small details matter. I don’t think it’s a mistake that Ruby, JS, Rust, Elixir, etc attract people with good design sensibilities which is reflected in their blog posts, websites, and…
> Good design and java rarely go hand in hand. These small details matter. I don’t think it’s a mistake that Ruby, JS, Rust, Elixir, etc attract people with good design sensibilities which is reflected in their blog posts, websites, and also API designs, documentation, etc.
That's an interesting claim, but now that I think about it, I wholeheartedly agree. The reason for that might be Java's poor support for UI programming (especially on the web) and the coders therefore creating their blogs with alternative languages and ecosystems that they are unfamiliar with.
Re: Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve
#10Only a person who loves something would start with "Love it or Hate it", FYI.