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Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by amiga_500 »

yibg wrote: post #49
kumosawa wrote: post #39

I’m from china mainland, and I stand for these protesters. At least, I don’t want them lose the right of fighting for their rights. And btw, even such huge protest happening, there is no report, no discussion in China, even message left on SNS also get censored or vanished. Terrifying. Edit: apologize for uncertain words, it needs add a time limitation. The first protest was happening at 9th June and all Chinese medi…

It seems the information flows to certain populations. I work for an US based company with an office in mainland China. Pretty much everyone in the office knows about the stuff happening in Hong Kong.

Does the satellite office proxy web traffic via the HQ?

Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by xiaochuanSun »

lawrenceyan wrote: post #50
kumosawa wrote: post #39

I’m from china mainland, and I stand for these protesters. At least, I don’t want them lose the right of fighting for their rights. And btw, even such huge protest happening, there is no report, no discussion in China, even message left on SNS also get censored or vanished. Terrifying. Edit: apologize for uncertain words, it needs add a time limitation. The first protest was happening at 9th June and all Chinese medi…

How common would you say it is for someone living in China to be able to have access to outside information / sites like you? Does everyone mostly understand that the government censors things to such an extreme but because of a fear of being targeted choose to not say anything, or would you say that most people are actually genuinely ignorant?

There are some Chinese students who are studying in US universities support the CN government on this event. Even though they have access to the information, they still choose not to believe it.

Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by yibg »

amiga_500 wrote: post #51
yibg wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems the information flows to certain populations. I work for an US based company with an office in mainland China. Pretty much everyone in the office knows about the stuff happening in Hong Kong.

Does the satellite office proxy web traffic via the HQ?

Not proxied via HQ but there is a VPN of course for things like github, Gmail etc. but point is people are at least to some level consuming the info that is available and not sticking to only mainland based sources. I would imagine certain portions of the population have greater access than most.

Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by Caprinicus »

bllguo wrote: post #42
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their only hope is collapse of PRC Not necessarily. A respectful and long-term oriented Beijing would be fine. (The CPC would need to change, to prevent a dictator-for-life like Xi from re-emerging.) There are a lot of win-win outcomes between the subjugation of Hong Kong and collapse of China.

this is an interesting criticism. I would have characterized the Chinese leadership of having a much more long-term outlook than the vast majority of other countries.

They are long term on many things, but not things that concern national pride. It is unclear what threat a semiautonomous HK actually presents to them, beyond just being a bunch of people near Shenzhen who can say mean things about you. It’s not like a rebellion could start there, they would be perfectly happy being left alone.

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Post by bytemut »

smnrchrds wrote: post #12

Could someone please explain what the long-term goal of the protesters is? Best case scenario, HK and Chinese government postpone the integration until 2047. What then? When the borders come down, what will happen to all those who openly talked against Beijing government, held candlelight vigils for Tienanmen Square victims, and rallied and protested against a government who does not like people protesting and does n…

I think most protesters are optimistic that if they can keep on winning each political battle like this, something dramatic can happen in their favor in 2047.

Also even if nothing can be changed, one perspective is that it is better to vocally reject rather than accepting in silence.

Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by my_username_is_ »

smnrchrds wrote: post #12

Could someone please explain what the long-term goal of the protesters is? Best case scenario, HK and Chinese government postpone the integration until 2047. What then? When the borders come down, what will happen to all those who openly talked against Beijing government, held candlelight vigils for Tienanmen Square victims, and rallied and protested against a government who does not like people protesting and does n…

Several of the people that I've asked in Hong Kong say that they're simply fighting to protect the city that they love. There are many paths that the future can take, and while a lot of them do not look good for the way of life of many Hong Kongers, if they don't fight now then they're giving up their city freely. And to do that is just unfathomable.

Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by pvg »

toyg wrote: post #40
beachy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same sort of reason that Texas can't?

I understand the technicalities, but Wilson’s Doctrine clearly applies to the citizens of Texas in 2019 as much as to the citizens of Austria-Hungary a century earlier. If it became absolutely certain that an overwhelming majority of Texans wanted to secede, the right answer would be to draw up ways to allow them to do so in the smoothest and most legal way, not to send the US Army to quash it. I understand the Civil…

Wilson’s Doctrine clearly applies to the citizens of Texas in 2019 as much as to the citizens of Austria-Hungary a century earlier.

How do you figure? I don't think any mainstream view of 'self-determination' and certainly not Wilson's just up and grants national sovereignty for the asking. Texas is plenty autonomous.

Re: Why Hong Kong Is Still Marching

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Post by dis-sys »

kumosawa wrote: post #39

I’m from china mainland, and I stand for these protesters. At least, I don’t want them lose the right of fighting for their rights. And btw, even such huge protest happening, there is no report, no discussion in China, even message left on SNS also get censored or vanished. Terrifying. Edit: apologize for uncertain words, it needs add a time limitation. The first protest was happening at 9th June and all Chinese medi…

I don't know what is your motivation to use a throwaway account to publicly lie on this...

Don't get hurt too much for seeing the reports below that can be publicly verified by everyone.

Coverage from sohu.com, one of the largest news sites -

https://www.sohu.com/a/320190989_114731

http://www.sohu.com/a/320742090_223357

http://www.sohu.com/a/320247941_419342

Coverage by tencent's QQ News:

https://new.qq.com/cmsn/TWF20190/TWF201906130000270D.html

https://xw.qq.com/partner/vivoscreen/20190614A09WZI/20190614...

Coverage by Baidu's infamous baijiahao

http://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1636182195709413986

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