Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
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#3> The Coaliton Avenir Québec government wants to pass a bill today that will bar public-school teachers, government lawyers, judges and police officers from wearing religious symbols while at work.
> The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#4> The Coaliton Avenir Québec government wants to pass a bill today that will bar public-school teachers, government lawyers, judges and police officers from wearing religious symbols while at work. > The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
> The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause
What's that ?
Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#5It's disgusting, and most of the rest of Canada is against it.
The part that really bugs me about it is that Christian symbols are allowed- because that's "a part of our culture".
Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#6> The Coaliton Avenir Québec government wants to pass a bill today that will bar public-school teachers, government lawyers, judges and police officers from wearing religious symbols while at work. > The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
> The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
To explain what this means, the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms (equivalent to the various rights spelled out in the American constitution) includes a clause, called the not withstanding clause, that basically says "you can make a law that violates these rights as long as you say so in the law, and you renew that law every 5 years".
Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#7> The Coaliton Avenir Québec government wants to pass a bill today that will bar public-school teachers, government lawyers, judges and police officers from wearing religious symbols while at work. > The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
> The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause What's that ?
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Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#8> The Coaliton Avenir Québec government wants to pass a bill today that will bar public-school teachers, government lawyers, judges and police officers from wearing religious symbols while at work. > The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
> The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause What's that ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_C...
> The Parliament of Canada, a provincial legislature or a territorial legislature may declare that one of its laws or part of a law applies temporarily ("notwithstanding") countermanding sections of the Charter, thereby nullifying any judicial review by overriding the Charter protections for a limited period of time. This is done by including a section in the law clearly specifying which rights have been overridden. A simple majority vote in any of Canada's 14 jurisdictions may suspend the core rights of the Charter.
Basically, imagine if states could pass temporary laws that were not allowed to be challenged as unconstitutional. For some reason, Canada allows that.
Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#9> The Coaliton Avenir Québec government wants to pass a bill today that will bar public-school teachers, government lawyers, judges and police officers from wearing religious symbols while at work. > The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause in an effort to spare it from court challenges about its constitutionality.
> The bill also invokes the notwithstanding clause What's that ?
Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, known as the
notwithstanding clause, is part of the Constitution of Canada. Also
known as the override clause, Section 33 allows federal, provincial
or territorial governments to temporarily override, or bypass,
certain Charter rights. Section 33 overrides can last only five years,
when they are subject to renewal. Although the clause is available to
governments, its use is politically difficult and therefore rare. It
is known colloquially as the “nuclear option,” because its use is
considered extremely severe. Since the Constitution was patriated in
1982, the clause has been used only a handful of times by various
provinces. The federal government has never
invoked the notwithstanding clause.
It's basically a way to get stuff through without repercussion, but its hard to do.
Seems suspicious that they're including it. My question is: What does it gain them?
Re: Quebec's National Assembly continues, focus shifts to religious symbols bill
#10It's disgusting, and most of the rest of Canada is against it. The part that really bugs me about it is that Christian symbols are allowed- because that's "a part of our culture".
I understand this. It's just that absolute non religious society is not possible, and western world has christian roots still. My 2 cents, own it and say it upfront: 90% secular, except for a few exception. Also I find hijab to be a lot more invasive than most inherited clothing. I can accept that this is just my subjective perception but it still catches my attention more than others (christian or not)