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About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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post #34

I wish they could use the Official Figure as 2M and 1. The 1 was tribute to the one died in protest of the bill [0]. R.I.P And I don't think the photos aren't what 2M people in the City really looks like. Here are few better ones. And thank you everyone who supported us, even if you are not in HK, it is still much appreciated. [0] https://time.com/5607742/hong-kong-protester-dies-anti-extra... [1] https://ibb.co/WtLM…

What's going on with those first two images? The first one is clearly mirrored, though also placed a little off-center. Are these renders? A mashup of rendering and actual photos? Just photos with one mirror effect? I'm genuinely curious.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#142

I am proud of our democratic cousins in Hong Kong; this is just the beginning. Who knows what kind of country China will be in 2047, maybe there is hope for democratic China or 50 more years of democratic Hong Kong, who knows. As for Taiwan, Taiwanese people already identify themselves with being Taiwanese. Nearly 80% of people polled identify themselves in fact, in recent polls. Now we just need the older generation…

Tsai has destroyed Taiwan demarcracy. Her lead in the poll is simply the result of her political manipulations. The poll is not trustworthy. She has split the people in Taiwan. She invites wars among people so that she can maintain her power. She violates so many rules to win elections. The approach is extremely disgusting.

So sad to see so many irrational and under-informed young Taiwanese people become mentally disabled due to the political brainwash, hatred speech, and self-righteousness.

They are going to be the generation of conflicting and fighting. But they will simply be fighting the lies they believed in.

The only hope left in Taiwan is HanGuoYu. Unfortunately, not everyone can see the truth.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#143
post #5

Every article I see about the HK protests makes sure to focus on how non-violent the gathering was. I see many people framing that non-violence as a better way to affect change in their government. I sincerely hope that a non-violent protest gets these people the change they want, but I take real issue in framing violent protests as unnecessary when your historically oppressive government refuses to listen to the wil…

Violent protests brings out the tanks and people start dying literally in the streets. Unless you are talking about actual revolution, violent protest accomplishes nothing and results in losing the moral high ground which is critical if one is to have international support. Violent protest in Hong Kong would result in Beijing sending in soldiers to suppress the rebellion under the guise of “public safety.” You get ma…

When a government deploys violence anyway people do have a right of self-defense. There's a broad spectrum of criminality from refusal to disperse following an order to do so, through interferences with public property like removal or deployment of barricades, through interference, confiscation or damage to vehicles, through direct physical confrontation which has its own escalatory tree.

Non-violence is a position but must have limits, otherwise you are demanding that people become punchbags of the state and preemptively invalidating all resistance against oppression, thereby amplifying the oppressor's narrative. A government in sufficient trouble will kill nonviolent people anyway and while it will lose moral legitimacy it is often willing to accept that as the price of strategic advantage, because the reality is that state actors can get away with killing people under many circumstances.

What we sometimes see (as here) is a triangle between government, capital, and people. Capital threatens to depart if government is overly aggressive and likes to pat itself on the back for its regulatory capability, but at the same time capital uses government to keep people subservient to those who control the wealth; one might say it's similar to fleecing sheep and aiming to slaughter as few and as humanely as possible. Large capital interests farm people within the legal and executive infrastructure of states for all practical purposes.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#144
post #34

I wish they could use the Official Figure as 2M and 1. The 1 was tribute to the one died in protest of the bill [0]. R.I.P And I don't think the photos aren't what 2M people in the City really looks like. Here are few better ones. And thank you everyone who supported us, even if you are not in HK, it is still much appreciated. [0] https://time.com/5607742/hong-kong-protester-dies-anti-extra... [1] https://ibb.co/WtLM…

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Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#145
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure more than 2/7 of the population would argue the current president immediately threatens their wellbeing, but won’t demonstrate to show it.

Very few people in the USA feel that their wellbeing is being threatened by Trump in the same way that many people in HK feel threatened by the Chinese government.

You're wrong about that. It's a lot more obvious in Hong Kong because they're concentrated in a relatively small geographic area.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#146

That's incredible. That's about one or two people from every household participating. Democracy FTW.

> Democracy

Is it though? Or... Something closer to communism with a democracy wrapper over it.

The part I find most confusing is that Hong Kong believed China's word on separate laws separate courts. That was going to be the case until it wasn't convenient, which I suppose is now.

China didn't keep their word you say!? Whaa!?

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#147
post #11

It’s a bit sad feeling like this level of participation would never happen in the US. I’m not sure what the reason is, but likely a mix of being a highly individualistic society, apathy, distraction.

What do you expect us to rally for? Genderless bathrooms?

We're killing people in concentration camps and the administration fairly wallows in corruption.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the sort of thing predicted by Hans Hermann Hoppe's "Democracy: The God that Failed", the basic premise of which is that short term leaders as found in democracies will try to get as much as they can in the short time they have, whereas lifetime leaders as in monarchies will treat the country more like a property owner would his own property. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed

> short term leaders as found in democracies will try to get as much as they can in the short time they have, whereas lifetime leaders as in monarchies will treat the country more like a property owner would his own property The evidence shows the opposite. Political leaders (in any system) want to act in the short term. Democracies simply constrain them. No “lifetime leaders” are guaranteed a life term. They must co…

Unfortunately Capitalism is not Democracy. Capitalism serves a set of dictators instead of one dictator.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#149

I am proud of our democratic cousins in Hong Kong; this is just the beginning. Who knows what kind of country China will be in 2047, maybe there is hope for democratic China or 50 more years of democratic Hong Kong, who knows. As for Taiwan, Taiwanese people already identify themselves with being Taiwanese. Nearly 80% of people polled identify themselves in fact, in recent polls. Now we just need the older generation…

I doubt Mainland government will allow a “eventually” Taiwan independence because it hurts the legitimacy of CCP(on the MAINLAND!), which will have a cascading effect.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#150
post #142

I am proud of our democratic cousins in Hong Kong; this is just the beginning. Who knows what kind of country China will be in 2047, maybe there is hope for democratic China or 50 more years of democratic Hong Kong, who knows. As for Taiwan, Taiwanese people already identify themselves with being Taiwanese. Nearly 80% of people polled identify themselves in fact, in recent polls. Now we just need the older generation…

Tsai has destroyed Taiwan demarcracy. Her lead in the poll is simply the result of her political manipulations. The poll is not trustworthy. She has split the people in Taiwan. She invites wars among people so that she can maintain her power. She violates so many rules to win elections. The approach is extremely disgusting. So sad to see so many irrational and under-informed young Taiwanese people become mentally dis…

> irrational

Speaking of rationality, could you provide evidence &/or explain how you came to know the various assertions you made in the first paragraph?

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