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An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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post #27

A friend who lives in the SF Mission likes the idea of shipping the druggies off to a drug camp in the middle of nowhere. They get all the drugs they want, until they die.

Same for unemployed people and depressed people who have fallen on hard times?

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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The article points out a correlation between "being addicted" and "being homeless" but does not provide any evidence that there also is a causation.

With the same evidence one could write an article that says "increasing prices drive out the most vulnerable first".

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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From my anecdotal experience living in an area filled with fentanyl shooting drug addicts I've noticed they generally are substance abusers with other drugs, such as meth or heavy drinking, ilegally procured prescription pills, cocaine etc., they have groups of fellow substance abusers they meet with daily to combine resources and when the money runs out switch to other drugs that are cheaper to buy like bags of hero…

Around me a large portion are formerly employed who got injured, and then were prescribed pain relievers that turned out to be what I think were legal opioids. Then they couldn't get them when the prescription was done, and they started using others' prescription. Then people started selling extra doses from their prescriptions on the street. From there, the not so legal stuff came. All the way up that ladder to homeless heroin addict.

It's just kind of a ladder they all climbed to the strongest, least legally available variant of what started out as simple pain relief prescriptions.

One really underhanded thing that's happened around here is that there are these new apartment buildings that are "affordable". (But not really.) But if you're a homeless vet, there is a provision where they are obliged to give you a place in these kinds of buildings.

One caveat though, it's not open to substance abusers. Which most of the homeless vets are. To add insult to injury, a lot of them got on the ladder because they were prescribed pain relievers by the VA. Now a lot are differently abled because of being wounded. Hooked on opioids due to climbing up the ladder I was talking about. And homeless to boot.

It's sad.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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post #29

From my anecdotal experience living in an area filled with fentanyl shooting drug addicts I've noticed they generally are substance abusers with other drugs, such as meth or heavy drinking, ilegally procured prescription pills, cocaine etc., they have groups of fellow substance abusers they meet with daily to combine resources and when the money runs out switch to other drugs that are cheaper to buy like bags of hero…

Coming from Germany I found it interesting how much the US culture depends on ingesting substances to make you feel better. Be it painkillers or “superfood” or other things. That makes the US really vulnerable to all kinds of addictions. As a kid I remember only a few occasions where I took any kind of medicine but today’s kids know a ton about all kinds of drugs and it seems pretty standard to take some.

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Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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I appreciate the author identifying what is really going on with homeless on the West Coast. Any visit to Portland, Seattle, SF, LA corroborates this. We need to crack down on those that are perpetuating and benefiting from this crisis.. the dealers, cartels, and yes, the pharmaceutical companies.

These street drug networks are pretty sophisticated and hard to crack down on. For example a typical street operation like openly selling baggies outside of a legalized injection clinic or to a homeless camp is often done by the addicts themselves, who will always only be holding just enough so they don't see much jail time if they are arrested. Security of this street dealing is overseen by very obvious looking pris…

If the low level gangs knew that cops would remain present on those corners, would the shooting wars erupt when there was a power vacuum? Looking at these gangs as rational economic players, it makes sense to fight over a limited, highly valuable resource(the street corner). It doesn't make sense to fight over it if it's value is extremely reduced(because cops will be stationed there all the time).

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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I think the question to ask is what created the opioid problem in the first place - I tend to think it's lack of regulation in the pharma space. I've criticised the author (Chris Rufo, associated with the conservative and intelligent design group Discovery Institute) in his earlier pieces (see https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/acwqng/podcast_s... ) where he used seemingly incomplete estimates on the funding…

And if you tightly regulate the “pharma space” and those drugs are harder to get, the same addicts will just find a substitute drug. The “War on Drugs” has been an abysmal failure. If you lock up the users, you’re just spending more money housing non violent offenders. If you lock up the sellers, someone else will take their place. Homeless drug addicts don’t fear jail, how could it be any worse than life on the stre…

If you think the war on drugs is a failure then you're missing the point of it. Cops can't arrest homeless people because being homeless isn't a crime. However if drug use correlates with homelessness then making drugs illegal is an indirect way of making homelessness illegal.

Solutions to the housing, homeless and drug problem exist but the voters and politicians don't want them.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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post #29

From my anecdotal experience living in an area filled with fentanyl shooting drug addicts I've noticed they generally are substance abusers with other drugs, such as meth or heavy drinking, ilegally procured prescription pills, cocaine etc., they have groups of fellow substance abusers they meet with daily to combine resources and when the money runs out switch to other drugs that are cheaper to buy like bags of hero…

Coming from Germany I found it interesting how much the US culture depends on ingesting substances to make you feel better. Be it painkillers or “superfood” or other things. That makes the US really vulnerable to all kinds of addictions. As a kid I remember only a few occasions where I took any kind of medicine but today’s kids know a ton about all kinds of drugs and it seems pretty standard to take some.

Hmm, makes me wonder if it is in any way related to the somewhat “lost” cooking culture in the states. My roommate in the States didn’t even know how to cook tea or how to boil an egg. And I am really not kidding. Might be a crazy theory but maybe...

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you tightly regulate the “pharma space” and those drugs are harder to get, the same addicts will just find a substitute drug. The “War on Drugs” has been an abysmal failure. If you lock up the users, you’re just spending more money housing non violent offenders. If you lock up the sellers, someone else will take their place. Homeless drug addicts don’t fear jail, how could it be any worse than life on the stre…

Drugs are often an escape but not always from immediate societal pressure. Ppl with (emotional) pain with likely eventually self-medicate. That is, addiction is a symptom. The problem is, we tend to want to treat that symptom and remain in denial that there are underlying root problems.

Even though I wish I could say that I was insightful enough to think about that when I originally posted, if you define a social safety net from the social viewpoint, it would also probably help if people dealing with emotional issues had someone to turn to and we treated clinical depression as a medical issue more often than we do.

But, I am far out of my area of expertise to know anything about clinical depression.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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From my anecdotal experience living in an area filled with fentanyl shooting drug addicts I've noticed they generally are substance abusers with other drugs, such as meth or heavy drinking, ilegally procured prescription pills, cocaine etc., they have groups of fellow substance abusers they meet with daily to combine resources and when the money runs out switch to other drugs that are cheaper to buy like bags of hero…

I could up until last year, by Codeine over the counter in France and there wasn’t a widespread opioid crisis. Some hysterical parents lobbied to get codeine prescription only in France and he hasn’t done anything for the levels of addiction— it only make it more obnoxious to have to go to the doctor to get a prescription for a €2.50 package of pills — pills that were amazing for coughs and headaches. I probably used that medicine once every few months when stricken by a bad cough or headache. Now, one has to spend €35 to visit a doctor just to get a pill that used to be readily available from the pharmacy. But hey, as long as we “protect the children” right? I can still buy liquor over the counter and it does more harm than most products one can consume.
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