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About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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Every article I see about the HK protests makes sure to focus on how non-violent the gathering was. I see many people framing that non-violence as a better way to affect change in their government. I sincerely hope that a non-violent protest gets these people the change they want, but I take real issue in framing violent protests as unnecessary when your historically oppressive government refuses to listen to the wil…

Violent protests brings out the tanks and people start dying literally in the streets. Unless you are talking about actual revolution, violent protest accomplishes nothing and results in losing the moral high ground which is critical if one is to have international support. Violent protest in Hong Kong would result in Beijing sending in soldiers to suppress the rebellion under the guise of “public safety.” You get ma…

I doubt that any of this is even passes by Beijing strategic calculus.

Above protests being violent or non-violent, what concerns Beijing more is them keeping going for that long.

What Beijing truly fears the most is them made look powerless. Pretty much the sole point of propaganda in China is to instill the idea of the state being allpowerful, and omnipotent.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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Some notes

* French yellow vests are ignored week after week. This is all over the place.

* HK already has extradiction with the USA.

* USA debacle demanding a journalist extradition to prosecute.

* Protesters posters are in english.

* Mainstream narrative, small HK will be successful independent. UK brexit will be terrible because it will be a insignificant country.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#83
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you expect us to rally for? Genderless bathrooms?

How about : "how come we have more than 500.000 people file for bankruptcy every year, due to medical bills?"

Filing for bankrupcy doesn't sound even nearly as scary as being extradited into China.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#84
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Chinese government typically doesn't compromise at all under pressure. This isn't the central government of China. The government in question is the government of the Hong Kong SAR.

Yeah, but obviously the Chief Executive simply takes Beijing's order for all such big movements.

That's not obvious. Hong Kong has its own political dynamic, and is deeply divided between pro- and anti-Beijing camps.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#85

So my HK team had the week off to protest. Luckily I didn't get any calls at 2am to bail anyone out of jail. This result- where the government backed down, was not expected by anyone. Ever since the Beijing-picked government stared down the Umbrella Protests in 2014, it's been a death by a thousand cuts to Hong Kong's autonomy. After talking to a friend who works for one of the pro-Beijing parties, it turns out the b…

Yep, pretty much it.

Saying the way HN readers can understand, the fear of Beijing is nor "people hearing" as much as "people talking"

Just every political commotion starts with people coming and talking with each other, forming groups, and confirming their views and positions, and not simply passively receiving information.

Central Propaganda Department works a lot to prevent negative sentiments from becoming rallying points for political opposition exactly for the reason above.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#86
post #82

Some notes * French yellow vests are ignored week after week. This is all over the place. * HK already has extradiction with the USA. * USA debacle demanding a journalist extradition to prosecute. * Protesters posters are in english. * Mainstream narrative, small HK will be successful independent. UK brexit will be terrible because it will be a insignificant country.

Chinese and English are both official languages of Hong Kong under the Hong Kong Basic Law (article 9) and the Official Languages Ordinance (chapter 5 of the Laws of Hong Kong).

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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post #82

Some notes * French yellow vests are ignored week after week. This is all over the place. * HK already has extradiction with the USA. * USA debacle demanding a journalist extradition to prosecute. * Protesters posters are in english. * Mainstream narrative, small HK will be successful independent. UK brexit will be terrible because it will be a insignificant country.

Chinese and English are both official languages of Hong Kong under the Hong Kong Basic Law (article 9) and the Official Languages Ordinance (chapter 5 of the Laws of Hong Kong).

But are they protesting for the Chinese to listen or the English?

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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post #82

Some notes * French yellow vests are ignored week after week. This is all over the place. * HK already has extradiction with the USA. * USA debacle demanding a journalist extradition to prosecute. * Protesters posters are in english. * Mainstream narrative, small HK will be successful independent. UK brexit will be terrible because it will be a insignificant country.

Let's be fair, Yellow Vest has been going on for months. And France has a democratic system in place. Use it!

>* Protesters posters are in english.

There are just far too many Chinese Poster you don't get to see.

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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post #82

Some notes * French yellow vests are ignored week after week. This is all over the place. * HK already has extradiction with the USA. * USA debacle demanding a journalist extradition to prosecute. * Protesters posters are in english. * Mainstream narrative, small HK will be successful independent. UK brexit will be terrible because it will be a insignificant country.

The majority of the posters are in Chinese.

https://www.inmediahk.net/node/1064900

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1463276-20190617.h...

https://thestandnews.com/

https://www.hkcnews.com/article/21374/616%E5%A4%A7%E9%81%8A%...

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

#90
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but obviously the Chief Executive simply takes Beijing's order for all such big movements.

That's not obvious. Hong Kong has its own political dynamic, and is deeply divided between pro- and anti-Beijing camps.

The chief executive is basically a pawn of Beijing, where democracy is limited and many delegates who elect the CEO are appointed by pro Beijing groups.

If HK got rid of their appointed delegates, the anti-Beijing group would have a clear majority.

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