Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#1

Post by yash8141 » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

I recently finished thinking in systems and i want to learn more.So i am looking for book reccomendation.If possible any books related to programming and math and systems thinking.

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#2

Post by elviejo79 » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 5:27 PM UTC

The Fifth Discipline by Senge. Also a great introduction to systems thinking.

Also everything written by Goldratt.

In particular: The Goal and It's not luck Both are business novels, they read lightly but the lessons are profound.

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#3

Post by dredmorbius » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 6:16 PM UTC

Take a look through Brian Castellani's Map of the Complexity Sciences (2018):

https://www.art-sciencefactory.com/complexity-map_feb09.html

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#4

Post by yash8141 » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 7:30 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #3

Take a look through Brian Castellani's Map of the Complexity Sciences (2018): https://www.art-sciencefactory.com/complexity-map_feb09.html

the map looks magnificent.

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#5

Post by el_dev_hell » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

elviejo79 wrote: post #2

The Fifth Discipline by Senge. Also a great introduction to systems thinking. Also everything written by Goldratt. In particular: The Goal and It's not luck Both are business novels, they read lightly but the lessons are profound.

The Goal is both insightful and hilarious.

The system-oriented lessons/examples are great. The 80s style dialogues, integrations, and throwbacks are fun sideshows.

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#6

Post by lemony_fresh » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 10:02 PM UTC

“The Origin of Wealth” is an excellent take on macroeconomics from a complex adaptive systems view.

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#7

Post by lemony_fresh » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 10:05 PM UTC

lemony_fresh wrote: post #6

“The Origin of Wealth” is an excellent take on macroeconomics from a complex adaptive systems view.

Also recommend this course by Scott Page from the Santa Fe Institute: https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/understanding-comple...

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#8

Post by james_s_tayler » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 12:05 AM UTC

The Model Thinker is excellent.

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#9

Post by dredmorbius » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 6:17 AM UTC

New Books in Systems and Cybernetics podcast is also a good resouce.

https://newbooksnetwork.com/category/systems-and-cybernetics...

Re: Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”?

#10

Post by no_identd » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 7:30 AM UTC

Depends, do you have ~$500 to spare?

I ask because the single best book on cybernetics (and I mean it, it feels a tad bit absurd how much better than other works on the topic it seems to me) costs roughly that, isn't available on Libgen, and nobody dares mention it anywhere in fear of driving prices on used copies up, because nobody wants the publisher to get any money for it, cause while they sure charge a lot for it, they actively hampered efforts by the original authors for a new edition of the book. (The rights to it eventually did end up in the right hands - a decade too late.)

If you wanna know why we don't see widespread adaption of systems thinking, it seems almost singularly caused by the nega-butterfly effect of that book not sitting on Libgen & having a price tag on it so gigantic people don't even wanna talk about it.

So ironic, makes me want to puke.