How is it they are not fucked? No country that wants to continue to do business with China is going to back this uprising. Is there an imaginible sequence of events that doesn't result in either capitulation or a violent crushing of dissent?
About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests
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#32They've made it. The Chief Executive apologized and the government has suspended the fugitive law amendment. That's really a RARE concession in these years because the Chinese government typically doesn't compromise at all under pressure.
Yea no the HK govt needs to withdraw the bill and explicitly guarantee no extradition without conviction under HK law for people to feel safe. If China can extradite whoever they want from HK, HK has no sovereignty and no separate identity from China.
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#33They've made it. The Chief Executive apologized and the government has suspended the fugitive law amendment. That's really a RARE concession in these years because the Chinese government typically doesn't compromise at all under pressure.
That's indeed true. But I see such suspension as a kind of signal that Beijing would like to compromise, which is nearly impossible. In practice, the "suspension" simply means that it's over because Beijing doesn't want to "lose face" and intentionally picked a moderate word to make both sides happy.
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#34I wish they could use the Official Figure as 2M and 1.
The 1 was tribute to the one died in protest of the bill [0]. R.I.P
And I don't think the photos aren't what 2M people in the City really looks like. Here are few better ones.
And thank you everyone who supported us, even if you are not in HK, it is still much appreciated.
[0] https://time.com/5607742/hong-kong-protester-dies-anti-extra...
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What makes HK so special that they must have an extradition treaty with China? Apart from being a Chinese territory?
Hong Kong and China are separate legal jurisdictions, which seems to be the relevant distinction when considering extradition laws. It’s a bit reductive to describe Hong Kong as a “Chinese territory.” What do you think would happen if China attempted to forcefully annex Hong Kong?
>What do you think would happen if China attempted to forcefully annex Hong Kong?
Lots of social media posts. Little action. Just like the Crimea.
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#36Every article I see about the HK protests makes sure to focus on how non-violent the gathering was. I see many people framing that non-violence as a better way to affect change in their government. I sincerely hope that a non-violent protest gets these people the change they want, but I take real issue in framing violent protests as unnecessary when your historically oppressive government refuses to listen to the wil…
Violent protests in this case directly play into the hands of CCP and gets you PLA with HK Police uniforms on the streets. Also any change that comes through "gun" rarely turns into ballot friendly. Once armed the erst while "freedom" fighters will start fighting for their clan/class/tribe/interests.
Do you understand that PLA can march into HK without any tricks, invariably of that?
I'd also mention that there were many times in the past when Beijing genuinely considered that option.
During yellow umbrella protests last year for examples, 3 regiments in Guandong province were not simply put into high readiness, but actually mobilised, i.e. troops issued ammo, and vehicles fuelled and armed.
I will not be surprised if a bigger operation is underway right now, and we simply don't know it. VPNs have been jammed 24/7 for more than a week, more intensively than even during 4.6 anniversary. New bootstrapping IP ranges are blocked within minutes on major VPNs. I've never ever seen it being so extreme ever.
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#37How is it they are not fucked? No country that wants to continue to do business with China is going to back this uprising. Is there an imaginible sequence of events that doesn't result in either capitulation or a violent crushing of dissent?
US killed Huawei overnight, a world-class competitor which was basically beating US companies, using pretty shoddy justification. So I would not rule out no one can challenge China, China is not the US. And even if it were Vietnam still beat their ass.
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#38They've made it. The Chief Executive apologized and the government has suspended the fugitive law amendment. That's really a RARE concession in these years because the Chinese government typically doesn't compromise at all under pressure.
This is nothing but a temporary delay. It will still be passed soon enough. Remember Hong Kong is on a 50 year countdown anyway so there’s always an inevitable end coming.
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#39Just another orchestrated event like current events in Moldova in response to recent Russia-China positive meeting at SPIF 2019
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#40Every article I see about the HK protests makes sure to focus on how non-violent the gathering was. I see many people framing that non-violence as a better way to affect change in their government. I sincerely hope that a non-violent protest gets these people the change they want, but I take real issue in framing violent protests as unnecessary when your historically oppressive government refuses to listen to the wil…
Violent protests in this case directly play into the hands of CCP and gets you PLA with HK Police uniforms on the streets. Also any change that comes through "gun" rarely turns into ballot friendly. Once armed the erst while "freedom" fighters will start fighting for their clan/class/tribe/interests.
Violent protests != violent coup