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ISO is full of vested interests that don't want hobbyists, the interested public, academics, and professionals to access the documents and be able to implement them at a lower cost.
I don't think $100 can really be considered a major roadblock to any technology professional capable of doing a standardized implementation...
Ask HN: Why are ISO standards so expensive?
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#72Usual parasite approach. Accessing standards should for sure be free for everyone.
Why should it be free? What is your rationale?
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Unfortunately, that torrent doesn’t seem to include all the standards. For example, none of these seem to be included: http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC35/WG1/
If you still have it, can you check for ISO-1000 being there?
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If you still have it, can you check for ISO-1000 being there?
This seems to be a copy (no idea how exact the copy is): https://archive.org/details/gov.in.is.10005.1994/page/n5
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This seems to be a copy (no idea how exact the copy is): https://archive.org/details/gov.in.is.10005.1994/page/n5
That's ISO-10005, ISO-1000 is the specification of STEbus which was a CPU semi-agnostic version of STDbus (which was Z80 specific).
STEbus seems to be IEEE 1000 and ISO 10859, perhaps you got confused with the numbers?
Re: Ask HN: Why are ISO standards so expensive?
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Why should it be free? What is your rationale?
Because standards are not products. They should enable things, not to be used for profit. Profiteering from that hinders progress. It should be quite self explanatory.
The other important thing here is being able to read the standard gets you nowhere. You have to implement the standard, and an independent third party has to verify that you have implemented them. Someone has to pay for all this work. It would be nice if this was tax payer supported, but if the government isn't going to pay for it, maybe you would like to setup an international fund to contribute? I'm sure they would love to make them free of charge.
>They should enable things, not to be used for profit. Profiteering from that hinders progress. It should be quite self explanatory.
I want to pay the people who work on the standards. Profits help with that. Ergo, profits help progress. QED :)
BTW, ISO standards have been for-pay for years. Please explain specifically how it has hindered progress. Some data would be nice. The burden of proof is on you, given the decades of counter-factual evidence.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because standards are not products. They should enable things, not to be used for profit. Profiteering from that hinders progress. It should be quite self explanatory.
Many standards are simply guidelines or arbitrary rules. Someone just makes it up. For e.g. i++ has a specific meaning according to a language standard. Or the width of a door should be 36" inches. That is something someone just made up. You can make up a standard yourself. Other kinds of standards have years of work behind them, like engineering standards for bridges, or food safety standards. Someone has to pay the…
Someone has to pay for the work for implementing them too, but not for accessing the standard itself. Lot's of things were not free, because of someone trying to sit in the middle, where they shouldn't have.
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#79Re: Ask HN: Why are ISO standards so expensive?
#80Very few programmers care about standards and even downloading drafts of them - despite all these forum/mailing lists arguments "what/which code is standard"( a tiny vocal minority), their market is likely some sort of enterprise bureaucrats that must have the Official(TM) Standard(TM) printed in triplicate to bully local programmers into following it "up to legal code". If the standards were free, i guess they're go…