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Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by cat199 »

Chestofdraw wrote: post #52
Mugwort wrote: post #45

It's worth keeping in mind that when they say Assange is guilty of violating the espionage act, did illegal hacking etc. what they really means is that he's guilt of publishing video showing US armed forces murdering unarmed journalists and civilians. If people are going to place emphasis on Assange's crimes and make them a high priority then it's hypocrisy of the worst possible kind to ignore the serious war crimes…

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> war crimes and killing journalists.

and yet, the saudi's are our allies and noone cares when prince so-and-so donates to XYZPQ election via some proxy organization..

i have no doubt russia attempted to influence the election.

the question is: which government really doesnt, and why is russia singled out here?

with a follow up of:

how is foreign policy really decided?

and what happens in the land of entrenched beurocrats and technocrats and their allies when someone is elected who threatens a major shift in FP?

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by gamblor956 »

cat199 wrote: post #87
bduerst wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian intelligence hacker group that hacked the Democratic National Committee emails and delivered to Assange and Wikileaks to publicly release. [1] Wikileaks then dropped the emails in parcels - behavior they had never done before - in order to manipulate news headlines leading up to the 2016 federal elections. [2] This is confirmed by numerous, independent security firms, such as CrowdStrike, F…

None of this definitively means it was done 'on behalf of', nor 'for the benefit of'. 'to the benefit of', perhaps, but an unwitting puppet is not necessarily an accomplice.

Per the Mueller Report, Assange attempted to coordinate the leaks with the Trump campaign.

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by malvosenior »

gamblor956 wrote: post #89
malvosenior wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He published evidence of political corruption. It's a good thing he did it too so that US voters could make a fully informed decision about the candidates.

He published altered and forged documents alleging corruption, where said documents were provided by the Russian intelligence agencies for the sole purpose of influencing the US presidential election. And Assange, knowing this, attempted to coordinate the release of these falsified documents with the Trump administration. While also prohibiting Wikileaks from publishing any negative documents about Trump.

There is no evidence that those emails were falsified or forged. Even the participants didn't dispute their validity.

The story is that Hillary was colluding with the DNC and the mainstream media, not that someone you don't like let everyone know about it.

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by Mugwort »

bduerst wrote: post #71
Mugwort wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the findings of the Mueller report, that Trump did not collude with the Russians to sway the election. I'm rather relieved about it. The possibility of Russia hacking our elections was a very serious matter and I'm glad the case is closed. Still, I'm very very distressed about Trump being President. At least the Russians aren't involved. Now, regarding war crimes and killing journalists, Soviet Russia had a…

The Mueller investigation did not find evidence of collusion, but that is not the same as evidence of no collusion. There was plenty of evidence that Wikileaks and the Russian State were influencing the election in favor of Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putin...

I don't disagree but how much influence did they have? The biggest culprits for swaying the election is none other than the US media by giving Trump billions of dollars worth of free election coverage for profits. They knew the negative coverage was energizing his base but they did it anyone because money. Blaming the US media however is as useless as blaming Wikileaks or Russia. At some point we need to admit we have our own self inflicted problems and quit blaming everyone else for them. Trump is a symptom we have been going down the wrong path for a very long time. I'm not optimistic about the US ever being introspective about its actions but it's the only way forward. The problem is US, not somebody else.

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by buboard »

ry_ry wrote: post #62
akdfd wrote: post #55

> "after taking refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy in a bid to avoid extradition to Sweden to face rape charges in 2012." Oh BBC, still with the smearing. Can't you at least pretend to be objective. Assange/Wikileaks have always maintained that he was taking refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid extradition to the US for Wikileaks activities. i.e. exactly this thing that is happening right now.

Not taking the beeb at face value, but taking Assange's statements at face value suggests a similar lack of objectiveness.

assange s statements were not false though. the beeb is lying here [there were no rape charges]

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by Mugwort »

decoyworker wrote: post #72
Mugwort wrote: post #45

It's worth keeping in mind that when they say Assange is guilty of violating the espionage act, did illegal hacking etc. what they really means is that he's guilt of publishing video showing US armed forces murdering unarmed journalists and civilians. If people are going to place emphasis on Assange's crimes and make them a high priority then it's hypocrisy of the worst possible kind to ignore the serious war crimes…

What war crimes did Assange expose?

this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by buboard »

baby wrote: post #10

I find it really interesting that everyone was so pro wikileaks and supported him until they released the wrong documents: something against hillary. If you like leaks, you have to accept that it is going both ways.

i find the lack of support for assange out of principle from the tech community disheartening. it's alright though, people reap what they sow eventually

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by astine »

jacquesm wrote: post #81
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he's guilt of publishing video showing US armed forces murdering unarmed journalists and civilians Another view is that he published evidence of alleged American war crimes. Then he published a bunch of other stuff of zero public interest, but damaging to innocent people ( e.g. medical records of gay Saudis, rape victims, et cetera [1]). The former should be clearly held as being First Amendment protected. The latt…

> Another view is that he published evidence of alleged American war crimes. Then he published a bunch of other stuff of zero public interest, but damaging to innocent people (e.g. medical records of gay Saudis, rape victims, et cetera [1]). That's not what he's extradited for.

Strictly speaking, he's been indicted for his part in assisting Chelsea Manning US diplomatic cables leak and not for exposing either the war crimes or gay Saudis.

"The 17 counts were tacked on to a single count accusing Assange of conspiring with Manning to crack a Department of Defense password." [1]

1. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wikileaks-founder-julia...

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by drugme »

decoyworker wrote: post #72
Mugwort wrote: post #45

It's worth keeping in mind that when they say Assange is guilty of violating the espionage act, did illegal hacking etc. what they really means is that he's guilt of publishing video showing US armed forces murdering unarmed journalists and civilians. If people are going to place emphasis on Assange's crimes and make them a high priority then it's hypocrisy of the worst possible kind to ignore the serious war crimes…

What war crimes did Assange expose?

Your question was perfectly reasonable and should not have been downvoted.

That said I'd recommend a quick keyword search on "assange" + "collateral damage" (which was the name of a polished version of the video he helped leak).

Re: Julian Assange: Home Secretary Signs US Extradition Request

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Post by ABeeSea »

cat199 wrote: post #88
ABeeSea wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange working with Russians is a conclusion reached by all US intelligence agencies. Saddam having WMDs was only the conclusion of a stovepiped intelligence team that reported directly to Dick Cheney and created by him (the office of special plans). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovepiping

'with' and 'for' are two quite different words. which was it?

Both. He had a show on state-sponsored Russian Television.
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