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WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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I have created a WeChat account years ago and I can not actually use it for payments. I don't know why it is but the wallet option never appears.

The wallet option only exists if you have a Chinese Wechat account (using a Chinese phone number).

It also appears if you somehow end up with a positive balance (e.g by receiving a red packet). I haven't tested whether you can actually spend that balance without having linked a Chinese bank account, though.

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post #76

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I’m curious, do people even enjoying drinking nice / real coffee anymore when drinking from Starbucks or have it delivered and sipping it at your desk or in the elevator, or is this just some kind of habit like smoking? Why not just wash down a caffeine pill with warm glass of water for the kick and move when time pressed?

It’s a habit and an addiction. But among the available addictions it’s one of the best.

>But among the available addictions it’s one of the best.

Why do you feel that way? I've never been a big coffee drinker (for this reason specifically), but everything I've heard about caffeine withdrawals for people who have been daily drinkers for a while is that they are awful - headaches, irritability, extreme fatigue, etc...

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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A few things worth being aware of Alibaba does not own WeChat but rather's it's competition Alipay. It does not have any access to WeChat data. So far the "social credit" on seems to be mostly based on how much you buy and it only seems to give you discounts to massively overpriced products (similar to a credit card reward system). You don't really download apps in Wechat but rather add a link more like a Facebook Ap…

Sesame credit score is used when you use to book a hotel online, if you score is higher you don't need a deposit. It linked to how much money you can borrow from some services. It is basically a credit score similar to what you get from credit agency.

> It is basically a credit score similar to what you get from credit agency

With the salient difference of judging one’s political views and affiliations. Like if FICO took into account the number of times you praised or criticised the President.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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post #65

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The author also waited 25 minutes for a coffe; it takes 2 with a moka, half with a coffee machine.

2 minutes with a moka? I seriously need to step up my game. 1 minute: hang grind fresh beans 1 minute: take out moka pot, fill with water, put coffee in, put on stove 3-6 minutes depending on ambient temp: moka boils 1 minute: pour cup, wash out moka pot Moka is such a pain. I drip now for time efficiency.

If you can afford it and care about grind quality, there are much quicker grinders out there.

The Baratza Sette 270 grinds with fantastic precision compared to other grinders on the market (even the Vario), and goes through 19g of beans in about 5 seconds.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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post #36

'It knows my biometric information; it knows the very contours of my face.' The iPhone does, WeChat doesn't.

Nope, in this case the camera is run by Wechat and they have their own biometric database.

FaceID or TouchID 's information is truely own by IPhone,Wechat use camera can only take photo or video,but when u login, speak six number to wechat,this is own by Wechat.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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A while ago I ran a thought experiment, Facebook could also track things like this. If my phone spent the night not at home, it can probably surmise that my relationship with (person who I've been exchanging FB/WhatsApp messages with increasing frequency the last few weeks) has progressed to the next level. Especially if it can see the phone spent the night connected to their SSID, but with both of us having zero interactions with FB apps.

Is there FB analytics built into Netflix? Then they could even say what we watched on Netflix that night.

A machine learning bot that can write just the right thing to a potential date is probably doable, albeit creepy. It's even easier if the bot can see their entire social media and IM history...

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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I was there last month and it was almost impossible to get money on your WeChat account without a Chinese bank account. It was easy to fund my Malaysian WeChat account but the balance isn't transferable or usable in China. There's currently one remaining loop hole I know about which is to pay someone to send money via a red envelope / hóngbāo but it's getting increasingly harder. It's already asking you for a passpor…

Is this a loop hole or intentional? I'm guessing wechat doesn't care to optimize the visitor experience. Has it ever been different? Afaik, it's as limited as it always was; they just added identity verification.

It's a relatively new change, the latest big change was in April when they removed one other way of sending a red envelope. So it doesn't seem like it's intentional.

https://lerner.co.il/2018/12/28/the-foreigners-guide-to-wech...

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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post #78
post #34

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Tencent is gov friendly company. Basically, data owned by gov.

Government unfriendly is simply not an option in China. It's endearing how "but the USA" crowd is out of touch with reality.

what are your sources of info, so that the "but the USA" crowd can learn about your reality?

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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post #102

what about Wechat tracking you even though when not using its features? I don't think CPC would patiently wait until you launch the app to start logging your behavior.

I've been wondering for a long time about this.

My thinking has been that while apps should be sandboxed given China, its (apparent) goals and (apparent from media) past behavior I'm thinking they would invest as much manpower as it takes to figure out how to break iOS/Android sandboxes and turn the phone into a full time listening/tracking device.

I'd love to hear from someone who knows more about mobile OS security regarding this. Is the above a likely or possible scenario or am I being too paranoid?

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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post #68
post #65

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The author also waited 25 minutes for a coffe; it takes 2 with a moka, half with a coffee machine.

2 minutes with a moka? I seriously need to step up my game. 1 minute: hang grind fresh beans 1 minute: take out moka pot, fill with water, put coffee in, put on stove 3-6 minutes depending on ambient temp: moka boils 1 minute: pour cup, wash out moka pot Moka is such a pain. I drip now for time efficiency.

You can buy ground coffee, if efficiency is your concern.
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