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WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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>Is it too much effort to just make your own coffee in your own apartment? Does that now also have to be delivered to you? The amount of waste involved in this just boggles my mind. Not from China but have been different phases of life where have either preferred to have early morning coffe delivered/fetched/made myself in my apartment. Different priorities would drove the choices for me. Pricing differences between…

I’m curious, do people even enjoying drinking nice / real coffee anymore when drinking from Starbucks or have it delivered and sipping it at your desk or in the elevator, or is this just some kind of habit like smoking? Why not just wash down a caffeine pill with warm glass of water for the kick and move when time pressed?

If such a pill was ever created, I surmise that the coffee industry would collapse overnight.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#72
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Going to China soon and everybody tells me WeChat will help me a lot over there. However, I cannot create my account without a "voiceprint". It wants me to read some numbers to fingerprint my voice. Apparently I cannot skip this step and I am not very comfortable with that.

try some text2speech programs?

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#73

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>Is it too much effort to just make your own coffee in your own apartment? Does that now also have to be delivered to you? The amount of waste involved in this just boggles my mind. Not from China but have been different phases of life where have either preferred to have early morning coffe delivered/fetched/made myself in my apartment. Different priorities would drove the choices for me. Pricing differences between…

I’m curious, do people even enjoying drinking nice / real coffee anymore when drinking from Starbucks or have it delivered and sipping it at your desk or in the elevator, or is this just some kind of habit like smoking? Why not just wash down a caffeine pill with warm glass of water for the kick and move when time pressed?

It's somewhere in between for me, as someone who drinks coffee from a coffee shop almost every day. I crave a good cup of coffee often but when I get it I often just start drinking it and when it's gone I realize I forgot to savor the experience, or I do try to savor the experience but realize the work I did or the article I read or the thoughts I had while drinking it were disappointing. When things align I do still enjoy my coffee very much though. Probably a couple times a week.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#74
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I mean.... the govt can check whatever they want on the WeChat logs. And the populace is pretty accepting of this for security reasons (if you aren’t going off the “government can be corrupt and abuse it’s powers” principle its actually kinda hard to make the privacy argument!)

I didn't say anything about privacy just that it is a private company. It doesn't seem that different to the US government with AT&T. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130901/23253224379/att-h...

It is different because in China I doubt there would have been any investigative reporting about the government and AT&T.

And while AT&T doesn’t seem to have done this, other companies such as Apple have enacted privacy measures which directly contravene the stated wishes of the government - but which are legal.

In China, I believe the way it works is, whatever the government wants becomes legal. The US is far from perfect but the rule of law exists here to some degree.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#75
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Going to China soon and everybody tells me WeChat will help me a lot over there. However, I cannot create my account without a "voiceprint". It wants me to read some numbers to fingerprint my voice. Apparently I cannot skip this step and I am not very comfortable with that.

I actually find Alipay easier to use for payments and it is easier to set up. If you don't want to chat I would use it instead.

I have created a WeChat account years ago and I can not actually use it for payments. I don't know why it is but the wallet option never appears.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#76

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>Is it too much effort to just make your own coffee in your own apartment? Does that now also have to be delivered to you? The amount of waste involved in this just boggles my mind. Not from China but have been different phases of life where have either preferred to have early morning coffe delivered/fetched/made myself in my apartment. Different priorities would drove the choices for me. Pricing differences between…

I’m curious, do people even enjoying drinking nice / real coffee anymore when drinking from Starbucks or have it delivered and sipping it at your desk or in the elevator, or is this just some kind of habit like smoking? Why not just wash down a caffeine pill with warm glass of water for the kick and move when time pressed?

It’s a habit and an addiction. But among the available addictions it’s one of the best.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#77
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> At 9:27, once I’ve brushed my teeth, answered a few messages, and wiped the sleep from my eyes, I order a coffee through WeChat. There’s a payments window on the app, and when you click on it you see various options, some proprietary to WeChat and some which are independent apps that run on WeChat’s platform. I open the Meituan delivery app and scroll through all the coffee options around me. I order an Americano.…

Absolutely right, people need to get up off their asses (sorry) if they want coffee.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#78
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WeChat is a private company owned by Tencent.

Tencent is gov friendly company. Basically, data owned by gov.

Government unfriendly is simply not an option in China. It's endearing how "but the USA" crowd is out of touch with reality.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#79
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> At 9:27, once I’ve brushed my teeth, answered a few messages, and wiped the sleep from my eyes, I order a coffee through WeChat. There’s a payments window on the app, and when you click on it you see various options, some proprietary to WeChat and some which are independent apps that run on WeChat’s platform. I open the Meituan delivery app and scroll through all the coffee options around me. I order an Americano.…

Uh... What? It's the reason Starbucks exists. People are on the go, and they don't want to make their own coffee. This is literally the same as going to the corner coffee shop to buy a Frappuccino.

If the corner coffee shops took 26 minutes to get me a cup of coffee I'd probably have to give it up entirely if I was really too lazy to spend the 90 seconds of effort in my kitchen that gives me a cup of coffee in about 5 minutes.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

#80
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It is illegal to refuse cash in China but it takes a while for the shops to be found and fined.

Is it enforced much? My understanding from folks who do business in China is that the laws on the books are one thing.... what you can count on legally is often entirety different.

China doesn't actually have a lot of police. It looks like it does but a lot of them are teenagers doing there year of service with no real power or authority.

Enforcement of basically all laws is done using some rotation system. This month it will be X, next month it will be Y. One of the interesting things is that they don't keep it a secret. It isn't published in newspapers but every Chinese person seems to know what the police are targeting now and next month. It gives everyone time to clean up their act before they get in trouble. The enforcement can never be 100%

If people complain enough then it will be resolved quickly. The shops around tourist areas should be fixed quickly because it looks bad.

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