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WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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I go to China often but it's been two years now. I don't look forward to the next visit for this very reason—I'll need this to pay for any and everything. I'm not going back.

Cash still works exactly the way it always has, (almost) nobody is going to turn down your business because you don't pay by an app.

There are shops in the big cities that are starting to refuse cash now (apparently, this is not illegal in China) and only accept the two big payment apps.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Cash still works exactly the way it always has, (almost) nobody is going to turn down your business because you don't pay by an app.

Besides payments, WeChat is inextricably tied to everything you do in China from chatting with your friends to buying a movie ticket to visa renewals. I've spent over 400 nights in Chinese cities and I depend on WeChat like I depend on water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat#Features

And how long, if not already - likely once their people are acclimatized to the idea of 'social rating' system - before they start subtly or aggressively warning people, swaying their behaviour, of potential for their rating to go down if associating with X who isn't using apps.

A digitized version of Nazi Germany with mass censorship capabilities really is terrifying.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Besides payments, WeChat is inextricably tied to everything you do in China from chatting with your friends to buying a movie ticket to visa renewals. I've spent over 400 nights in Chinese cities and I depend on WeChat like I depend on water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat#Features

And how long, if not already - likely once their people are acclimatized to the idea of 'social rating' system - before they start subtly or aggressively warning people, swaying their behaviour, of potential for their rating to go down if associating with X who isn't using apps. A digitized version of Nazi Germany with mass censorship capabilities really is terrifying.

Not that is makes much difference, but the Stasi were DDR socialist East Germany.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cash still works exactly the way it always has, (almost) nobody is going to turn down your business because you don't pay by an app.

There are shops in the big cities that are starting to refuse cash now (apparently, this is not illegal in China) and only accept the two big payment apps.

There are loads of coffee shops and cafes in the UK that don't take cash any more.

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I go to China often but it's been two years now. I don't look forward to the next visit for this very reason—I'll need this to pay for any and everything. I'm not going back.

Cash still works exactly the way it always has, (almost) nobody is going to turn down your business because you don't pay by an app.

i've lost count of the amount of times i've been refused a coffee or beer because they don't except cash or visa card.

It's only going to get worse.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cash still works exactly the way it always has, (almost) nobody is going to turn down your business because you don't pay by an app.

Naturally, going onwards, places and things that one cannot buy and/or go without an e-wallet will gradually increase, right?

yes but only WeChat is tied to an authoritarian government's surveillance network

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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A few things worth being aware of Alibaba does not own WeChat but rather's it's competition Alipay. It does not have any access to WeChat data.

So far the "social credit" on seems to be mostly based on how much you buy and it only seems to give you discounts to massively overpriced products (similar to a credit card reward system).

You don't really download apps in Wechat but rather add a link more like a Facebook App (JavaScript & HTML).

Chinese people tend to like one app that does everything. Most of the services talked about in the article as separate services that you can open in WeChat but you can also open most of them in AliPay or Taobao or access them directly on their own websites. This is what Facebook tried to do but failed...

What I find fascinating is that a lot of older people that use WeChat in China are illiterate apart from numbers. They do everything by remembering the pictures and other people help them to set up their account. That is part of the reason why they want a single app that does everything. You don't need to read since you can just send messages, look at pictures and iconography.

Also, everyone in China still accepts cash but you generally need correct change.

If you have any questions feel free to ask. I just found out my sesame-credit score is 622 (not that it does anything...)

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are shops in the big cities that are starting to refuse cash now (apparently, this is not illegal in China) and only accept the two big payment apps.

There are loads of coffee shops and cafes in the UK that don't take cash any more.

They still take Visa, and don't insist on an authoritarian government's surveillance app.

Re: WeChat is Watching: Living in China with the app that knows everything about me

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> At 9:27, once I’ve brushed my teeth, answered a few messages, and wiped the sleep from my eyes, I order a coffee through WeChat. There’s a payments window on the app, and when you click on it you see various options, some proprietary to WeChat and some which are independent apps that run on WeChat’s platform. I open the Meituan delivery app and scroll through all the coffee options around me. I order an Americano. I have my WeChat linked with the facial recognition scanner on my iPhone; when I pay, I just hold my phone up to my face and a green tick flicks across the screen. Seven minutes later, I get a message telling me the coffee is on the way, with the name and number of the delivery driver. It arrives at 9:53.

Is it too much effort to just make your own coffee in your own apartment? Does that now also have to be delivered to you? The amount of waste involved in this just boggles my mind.

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