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Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by awaythrow113 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #131
kelnos wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crime here, in my mind, wasn't posting bytes on a website, but was breaking into someone's phone. Which is already illegal.

Okay, so I commit a crime and steal all sorts of personal data from a phone, but then hand that data off to someone else - who knows that I did something naughty to obtain it - who then posts it for all the world to see. That second person did nothing wrong? Also, did I really break into the phone? I just hypothetically asked if it wanted to copy some bytes, and it said yes.

A phone can't say anything, it doesn't have agency. What you did was exploit around security measures, which is breaking into the phone.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

batiudrami wrote: post #148
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

I don't know about La Liga specifically but in general bars pay a much higher fee than end users to stream sports because it's such a big value-add for them. It's likely that these bars are streaming publicly on a user license, rather than using an illegal stream. The value proposition isn't necessarily that far out - just people want to pay less for things and will do if they can.

This is exactly it. If the bar owner living upstairs already pays for satellite TV for home use, why pay the extra for the bar license? Just rig up an HDMI splitter.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by paulie_a »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #242
batiudrami wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about La Liga specifically but in general bars pay a much higher fee than end users to stream sports because it's such a big value-add for them. It's likely that these bars are streaming publicly on a user license, rather than using an illegal stream. The value proposition isn't necessarily that far out - just people want to pay less for things and will do if they can.

This is exactly it. If the bar owner living upstairs already pays for satellite TV for home use, why pay the extra for the bar license? Just rig up an HDMI splitter.

Because one is residential and one is commercial usage.

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Post by ricardobeat »

sgift wrote: post #233
libraryatnight wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that basically why some f2p games that are p2w can alienate a ton of people as long as they have a few "whales"?

Yes, until they alienate too many cause these games depend on a big player base. Then the whales leave too and having alienated all the non-whales the business is usually dead.

Then some of the art and assets are rotated, and the new Battle Slime Kings 2 gets released and featured in the App Store.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by C1sc0cat »

kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

Up to a point a minority of Landlords / Bar owners will take short cuts to boost their revenue - this is not the same as an individual pirating.

There are a lot of shady practices in this industry buying your own beer on the side for example.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

jdietrich wrote: post #94

Sky Sports use a far simpler solution that doesn't violate anyone's privacy. The satellite feed that's licensed for public venues has a small beer glass logo burned in to the image. The amount of beer in the glass changes every day on a pseudorandom basis. An inspector can check whether a pub has the right license simply by looking at the screen - if the glass is missing or contains the wrong amount of beer, it's an…

I've heard stories of pint glass stickers being stuck to the screen to get around this. Probably just an urban legend but amusing to think about nonetheless.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by C1sc0cat »

batiudrami wrote: post #148
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

I don't know about La Liga specifically but in general bars pay a much higher fee than end users to stream sports because it's such a big value-add for them. It's likely that these bars are streaming publicly on a user license, rather than using an illegal stream. The value proposition isn't necessarily that far out - just people want to pay less for things and will do if they can.

That is why in the UK in a pub you can see a small pint glass in the corner of the screen its the feed for commercial use.

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Post by jrootabega »

jdietrich wrote: post #94

Sky Sports use a far simpler solution that doesn't violate anyone's privacy. The satellite feed that's licensed for public venues has a small beer glass logo burned in to the image. The amount of beer in the glass changes every day on a pseudorandom basis. An inspector can check whether a pub has the right license simply by looking at the screen - if the glass is missing or contains the wrong amount of beer, it's an…

Like the train conductors who change the ticket punch shape each trip.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by cf141q5325 »

mpetkevicius wrote: post #236
YeahSureWhyNot wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not sure about soccer but UFC fights cost 5 to 10 thousand dollars per fight to show PPV at bars. If there are 100 people at the bar then it comes out to 50-100 dollars per person. Thats almost like buying a ticket to see the fight at the actual arena

That figure would likely be significantly lower is bars didn't pirate

Why do you assume that? I dont see any incentive to lower prices with higher demand.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

jimbob45 wrote: post #83

It doesn't feel like sports leagues want me to be a fan anymore. Take the NBA for example. I can't attend games because they're outside of my price range. I can't buy merchandise because a simple jersey costs north of $50. I can't watch the games because the subscription per month costs too much and bars are starting to get priced out of the range too. Encouraging my kid to play in high school to go pro is a joke sin…

So don't be a fan anymore? I can't afford to own a Ferrari... so I don't.
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