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Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by BurningFrog »

briandear wrote: post #195
lostmymind66 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means." I disagree. Music is cheaper and easier to buy than ever with things like iTunes and the various streaming services and music piracy is still rampant. Bars have very slim margins and owners will most likely never pay…

Successful bars don’t have slim margins. Restaurants often have slim margins because of food waste, but bars have pretty good margins. There is very good profit on drinks: a 750 bottle of Tito’s vodka costs about $18 wholesale, provides 16 shots, at $5 per shot, that’s $80. Then discount 20% for spillage, that’s $64. Bartenders in the US make tips, so the hourly cost to the bar is pretty minimal, but in Europe, every…

> Successful bars don’t have slim margins

This just another way of saying that successful bars are successful.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by lenkite »

lostmymind66 wrote: post #182
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

"If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means." I disagree. Music is cheaper and easier to buy than ever with things like iTunes and the various streaming services and music piracy is still rampant. Bars have very slim margins and owners will most likely never pay…

Music piracy has dropped considerably.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/...

https://www.fudzilla.com/news/46891-streaming-is-killing-mus...

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3037003/just-10-pe...

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by narnianal »

jefftk wrote: post #98
narnianal wrote: post #84

What about it is Shazam-like? Are they a super hero? Are they funny? I don't get it.

They're referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazam_(application)

Ah because it identifies audio input. I see. Quite disappointing, tbh. I thought they refer to the movie.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by wolco »

briandear wrote: post #191
pdimitar wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is so hard to get about it?

If a Mercedes costs too much, it’s ok to steal it? That’s what this attitude means. That it isn’t a physical good doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost to produce and distribute it and the price of producing that product is set specifically to make the economics work for the producers. That the bar is making revenue specifically because of the content someone else is producing makes this theft even more unjustifiable. If s…

He pays for a copy and then streams it so everyone at the bar can see it.

Similiar to how he pays for cable and everyone at the bar can see it on all of their tvs.

I understand the soccer people want more money. But cost to create and produce is paid for by the subscription already or they couldn't afford to offer the service in the first place. The hardship doesn't exist on the producer's side. We could debate whether the producer should be able to extract as much money as possible on bar owners holding them up to Oracle type liceases. It reminds me of the music industry clamping down on people singing Happy Birthday.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by intsunny »

csixty4 wrote: post #173
vageli wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Streaming "cable" providers (Sling, Youtube TV, Playstation Vue, etc.)can get you up and running in minutes and usually come with a 7 day free trial. It doesn't solve every issue with trying to get legal, but it at least solves the "sit around all day for the installer to show up" problem. Doesn't sling require a cable subscription?

Their product used to be a box that encoded video off cable and sent it to your devices over the network. But now they have their own streaming service that carries cable TV content.

Slingbox and Sling TV have no relation: http://support.slingbox.com/en-US/KB/KB-8024.aspx

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Haga »

briandear wrote: post #191
pdimitar wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is so hard to get about it?

If a Mercedes costs too much, it’s ok to steal it? That’s what this attitude means. That it isn’t a physical good doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost to produce and distribute it and the price of producing that product is set specifically to make the economics work for the producers. That the bar is making revenue specifically because of the content someone else is producing makes this theft even more unjustifiable. If s…

If Mercedes was the only supplier of cars run like a state like monopolistic actor.. So capitalistic socialism reigns in a market, people tend to do the usual black market stuff to get on withlife ? Surprise..

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by YeahSureWhyNot »

kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

not sure about soccer but UFC fights cost 5 to 10 thousand dollars per fight to show PPV at bars. If there are 100 people at the bar then it comes out to 50-100 dollars per person. Thats almost like buying a ticket to see the fight at the actual arena

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Moodles »

stornetn wrote: post #185
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

> a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product offering doesn't actually match demand, and work to fill that demand This is not necessarily true. It depends entirely on the shape of demand. By way of simplified example, imagine that there are two types of consumers equally distributed: those willing to pay $1000 and those willing to pay $100. Unless you can distinguish at time of payment betwee…

Indeed, this is called inelastic and elastic demand.

Edit: Hacker News, plz, it's not that complex guys :-) one person willing to pay $1000000000000000 is better than 100 people willing to pay $1

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by wolco »

briandear wrote: post #195
lostmymind66 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means." I disagree. Music is cheaper and easier to buy than ever with things like iTunes and the various streaming services and music piracy is still rampant. Bars have very slim margins and owners will most likely never pay…

Successful bars don’t have slim margins. Restaurants often have slim margins because of food waste, but bars have pretty good margins. There is very good profit on drinks: a 750 bottle of Tito’s vodka costs about $18 wholesale, provides 16 shots, at $5 per shot, that’s $80. Then discount 20% for spillage, that’s $64. Bartenders in the US make tips, so the hourly cost to the bar is pretty minimal, but in Europe, every…

A bar with high margins will have other bars opening up near by and attempt to steal customers by offering lower price drinks driving down margins.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by libraryatnight »

Moodles wrote: post #218
stornetn wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product offering doesn't actually match demand, and work to fill that demand This is not necessarily true. It depends entirely on the shape of demand. By way of simplified example, imagine that there are two types of consumers equally distributed: those willing to pay $1000 and those willing to pay $100. Unless you can distinguish at time of payment betwee…

Indeed, this is called inelastic and elastic demand. Edit: Hacker News, plz, it's not that complex guys :-) one person willing to pay $1000000000000000 is better than 100 people willing to pay $1

Isn't that basically why some f2p games that are p2w can alienate a ton of people as long as they have a few "whales"?
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