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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by oh_sigh »

kelnos wrote: post #125
oh_sigh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so you're walking down the street with a locked phone in your pocket. I send an Android Bluetooth 0-day payload to your phone. Nothing wrong with that, after all I'm just asking your phone if it wants to copy some bytes, and it says 'sure!'. Not my problem if your phone does something funky with those bytes. Now I have root, and copy off all of your pictures and private data onto my device. Nothing wrong with tha…

The crime here, in my mind, wasn't posting bytes on a website, but was breaking into someone's phone. Which is already illegal.

Okay, so I commit a crime and steal all sorts of personal data from a phone, but then hand that data off to someone else - who knows that I did something naughty to obtain it - who then posts it for all the world to see.

That second person did nothing wrong?

Also, did I really break into the phone? I just hypothetically asked if it wanted to copy some bytes, and it said yes.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by xnyan »

egd wrote: post #130

Someone I met tried to figure out how to actually legally stream the NBA playoffs recently - apparently there's basically no way to do so without an existing cable subscription or without paying for the entire season. I'm guessing the licensing structure around all of that would make the US tax code look readable, but the result is that it's effectively impossible to decide you want to watch a specific game on a comp…

It’s so much easier to stream the NBA finals from a pirate site than it is to pay - if there even is a way to pay. I’m looking at waiting 10 days for a cable installer and at least 50 a month plus multiple calls to setup and then cancel to watch the one event I want to watch via cable, or 2 clicks and an ad-free 1080p 60 fps stream on my browser. I’m not saying piracy is legal or moral, but the difference in cost benefit effort and value is so extreme I don’t know how you can realistically expect someone who knows all the options to chose cable.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

egeozcan wrote: post #102
johnnycab wrote: post #69

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>I might get back into F1 just for this. I wouldn't be so hasty, as the service has had some blackouts. https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/38904/f1-tv-offering-comp...

Yes and they actually refunded some percentage of the subscription fee for that, and sent a long email apologizing. I mean, I take it over many other services which just ignore the problems. Disclaimer: Happy subscriber and an F1 fan.

I‘m sorry but you must be kidding. They are having an outage on the pro service every, at least(!), second race weekend. The service usually goes down right at the start of the race and all people get is a tweet on @F1Help twitter account saying „we are aware of the issue and working on it“. Canadian GP was available for some users from lap 50! All was fine until 2 minutes before the start of the race.

Yes, they refund and send nice emails but people don‘t want refunds - they want to see a race!

Just check that twitter account, it‘s hilarious. I have cancelled the subscription, it was so bad.

To add to that, every single time they claim their engineers are trying to identify and fix the problem. For months now. It‘s like they work only during race sessions. No post mortems, no description of what measures have been taken to resolve the problem.

It‘s not even possible to load the help chat sometimes. The website during those outages barely works. Can‘t log out, can‘t log in.

The mobile app is another garbage. People being advised to reinstall the app when having login problems. Also for months!

It‘s garbage. Which is shocking. There are so many paid tv services streaming hundreds of channels and not having any of those problem. For a powerhouse like Liberty Media and F1, this is ridiculous.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by rrix2 »

dharmab wrote: post #75
guiomie wrote: post #46

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My key take away from your comment is F1 has non geo-fenced service. I just went on their website, and I'm blown away. You can select a cockpit to stream, you have a bunch of geeky data, all while you can watch the GP in it's traditional way. I might get back into F1 just for this.

Liberty Media has also done a really good job with the F1 YouTube channel in recent years, providing an avenue for casual fans to keep up with the season. Too bad the 2019 season is shaping up so poorly...

We almost got away with a real race last weekend ...

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by fourmii »

xnyan wrote: post #132
egd wrote: post #130

Someone I met tried to figure out how to actually legally stream the NBA playoffs recently - apparently there's basically no way to do so without an existing cable subscription or without paying for the entire season. I'm guessing the licensing structure around all of that would make the US tax code look readable, but the result is that it's effectively impossible to decide you want to watch a specific game on a comp…

It’s so much easier to stream the NBA finals from a pirate site than it is to pay - if there even is a way to pay. I’m looking at waiting 10 days for a cable installer and at least 50 a month plus multiple calls to setup and then cancel to watch the one event I want to watch via cable, or 2 clicks and an ad-free 1080p 60 fps stream on my browser. I’m not saying piracy is legal or moral, but the difference in cost ben…

Really, how about just signing up to the NBA League Pass? Sure it's expensive, but it doesn't need cable installation, just watch it from basically any internet accessible device.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by dls2016 »

greedo wrote: post #89
sneakernets wrote: post #44

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I had written (in college) a small story about an "RIAA Task Force" collaborating with the FBI to raid small brick-and-mortar businesses with occupants above some fabled "listener limit" that dared to have an FM Radio or iPod connected to a boombox in the corner of the store somewhere. Everything from Barbershops to Butchershops were raided, and the small infringing devices confiscated. Given that the RIAA tried to s…

Actually it would be either ASCAP or BMI that enforces this fee. When I owned a small restaurant, I had to pay for the privilege of playing CDs over a stereo.

ASCAP shakes down bars all the time.

https://pitchfork.com/news/ascap-hit-multiple-us-bars-with-c...

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by gorbypark »

hammock wrote: post #45

Tangentially related: there is a cool app called Tunity that "shazams" a muted TV, e.g. at a bar, finds the game and lets you play the audio from your phone - syncing it perfectly to the video picture that you shazamed. So you can sit at a bar or waiting room or somewhere with muted TVs, and listen to the audio of the game.

That's a great idea. I've always wanted to create an app that would pretty much do exactly that, except for doing outdoor guerilla movies (kind of like a renegade drive in movie theatre). As to not annoy neighbours, you'd listen to a stream of the audio on your phone with headphones. It would be pretty easy to setup a stream, but because of differences in phones and network latency there'd have to be client-side syncing.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by stordoff »

jdietrich wrote: post #94

Sky Sports use a far simpler solution that doesn't violate anyone's privacy. The satellite feed that's licensed for public venues has a small beer glass logo burned in to the image. The amount of beer in the glass changes every day on a pseudorandom basis. An inspector can check whether a pub has the right license simply by looking at the screen - if the glass is missing or contains the wrong amount of beer, it's an…

Sky Sports also periodically burn in a nine-digit identifier into the consumer streams (presumably to identify the source of illegal streams).

https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/How-to/What-s-that-9-digit-numb...

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