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Saudi Arabia tracks runaway women by cellphone IMEI

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Re: Saudi Arabia tracks runaway women by cellphone IMEI

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Post by mikeash »

sampo wrote: post #4
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

By supporting Saudi Arabia the West really shoots itself in the foot. You can't lecture other countries about freedom while supporting this regime.

> By supporting Saudi Arabia the West really shoots itself in the foot. Well, the West went and took down the regime in Iraq, but some think that didn't go so well, either. SA is ruled by a clan and king, so it's not a full theocracy at least. If you go and perturb things, there is also room to make the situation worse.

Approximately nobody is saying that we should invade SA and overthrow the government. But could we at least stop selling them weapons and giving them nuclear technology and giving them defensive cover from our military?

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Post by m23khan »

walrus01 wrote: post #22

The astonishing thing to me is that due to oil money and the Saudi royal family, the US and UK have gone all-in with their support of the Saudi regime. When in fact the situation for womens' rights, while for from ideal, is significantly better in Iran. Historical reasons about the Iranian revolution, cia supporting coups, etc.

Frankly speaking, when it comes to Muslim countries and women, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Turkey and perhaps Indonesia among some others have a great record (relatively). But biggest improvement seems to be coming from Pakistan of all the places.

Saudis and other strict regimes should look into changes that enforces protection and rights and freedom for women. The more well educated and economically integrated women are (along with men), it is better for society.

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Post by Miner49er »

maxxxxx wrote: post #2

By supporting Saudi Arabia the West really shoots itself in the foot. You can't lecture other countries about freedom while supporting this regime.

The fact is, the West (mainly talking about the U.S. here) doesn't care about freedom. They've made this clear many, many times. It's a buzzword, used when convenient.

It sounds better to say you're invading a country to bring freedom to its people then to say you're invading to take their oil.

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Post by lallysingh »

pkaye wrote: post #42
rolltiide wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking about having a service that lets someone else randomize the location of your phone. That was the primary goal and it evolved to food delivery couriers having additional services where they charge people's phones in a lockbox while they run around all day. Result: Many people's location is erroneous data. No single person's use of the service is suspicious and merely reflecting a societal sentiment…

Can't the cell towers triangulate the phone location anyway.

I think OP's point was that the phone would physically be with the courier for a part of the day.

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Post by cr0sh »

mahkeiro wrote: post #37
sampo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By supporting Saudi Arabia the West really shoots itself in the foot. Well, the West went and took down the regime in Iraq, but some think that didn't go so well, either. SA is ruled by a clan and king, so it's not a full theocracy at least. If you go and perturb things, there is also room to make the situation worse.

Can you tell me what is worst between a theocracy and an absolute monarchy? In SA, the king is bound by no law not even the law of god. He wants you dead on spot, and then you die. Doesn't sound to me a better system.

Whereas in a theocracy, the Ruler is bound by the law of God. God wants You dead on the spot, and the Ruler is his instrument on Earth - and then You die.

The Ruler is now not at fault, because God told, and used, the Ruler to do the deed. The Ruler is absolved of responsibility - God's Will.

...do you see and understand the difference?

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Post by threffer »

neilv wrote: post #38
gesman wrote: post #15

Engaging security forces to chase women. Do they also give medals for bravery for that?

I share your concern and anger. This particular phrasing could sound like reinforcing a historical perception of women as innately weak and needing protection. I prefer to think of it as people needing help due to circumstances , and the circumstances in this case perhaps due in part to such historical perceptions.

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> Saudi Arabia tracks runaway women by cellphone IMEI

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> Engaging security forces to chase women

I'm sorry, what's the need to rephrase?

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Post by selimthegrim »

m23khan wrote: post #62
walrus01 wrote: post #22

The astonishing thing to me is that due to oil money and the Saudi royal family, the US and UK have gone all-in with their support of the Saudi regime. When in fact the situation for womens' rights, while for from ideal, is significantly better in Iran. Historical reasons about the Iranian revolution, cia supporting coups, etc.

Frankly speaking, when it comes to Muslim countries and women, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Turkey and perhaps Indonesia among some others have a great record (relatively). But biggest improvement seems to be coming from Pakistan of all the places. Saudis and other strict regimes should look into changes that enforces protection and rights and freedom for women. The more well educated and economically integrated women are (…

What laws has Pak government passed recently?

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Post by astrodust »

colechristensen wrote: post #18
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

By supporting Saudi Arabia the West really shoots itself in the foot. You can't lecture other countries about freedom while supporting this regime.

There is a delicate game being played. If you are friendly with SA you can put pressure on them to improve. If you declare them an evil enemy would the outcome be better? There is a path to walk and it is not easy to find the right one when you have to deal with reality not just idealism. The natural resources in the middle east are important to the world and it is not so simple as an 'us vs. them' because there are…

> The natural resources in the middle east are important to the world ....

Let's fix that. X-Prizes for not using oil, but something else renewable.

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Post by autoexec »

neilv wrote: post #32
binarymax wrote: post #11

I remember back in the 90's, when Intel was going to introduce a unique identifier in their processors that could be used for authentication purposes, it caused a huge uproar and Intel backed down. [0] Having a hardware embedded unique ID that can be (is) used for tracking a known persons location at all times is probably the most intrusive privacy violation we've ever had. That we willingly carry these things around…

The opposition to that, Clipper chip, and V-chip are three of the specific examples that come to mind when I think of cultural changes among CS techies. My impression is that there used to be more awareness, concern, and forward-looking/vision about such things. (I even recall techies being shunned for doing the tiniest fraction of invasiveness/recklessness that some major companies do today, yet those companies are…

> I even recall techies being shunned for doing the tiniest fraction of invasiveness/recklessness that some major companies do today

I remember uninstalling software and dismissing it as spyware for just phoning home. The very idea of a program regularly pinging some remote host to indicate the your machine was turned on and connected to the internet was offensive. Now basically every program does this, usually excused as checking for updates.

I think a lot of the problem was as it got easier for people to get online more and more people were using the internet who didn't understand the technology or how it could be used against them. They didn't care about anything but checking sports scores and online shopping and it let companies get away with taking advantage of them in ways the old nerds would never have accepted and once those nerds were vastly outnumbered by people who didn't know or care about privacy abuses the nerds no longer mattered.

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