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Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

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In this case, "a physical non-electronic signature". I could also see it as "a physical copy of an electronic signature" depending on if it's used in circumstances where you're presenting it as merely a copy of the original (e.g. for documentation/records of your contract with that website ), but that's not the case here. Either way I don't see it as "an electronic signature" as far as the agreement goes. If it's on…

Okay, so you are confusing concepts like "what is a signature", "what is an original", and "what would a court accept as valid evidence". We are going to mostly put aside the third for now. First: A signature does not change form once created. A physically signed document is a physically signed document, regardless of whether i scan it in. An electronically signed document is electronically signed regardless of wheth…

I have some questions about this model. Big ask I know but I am wondering if you'd reach out to me to discuss your interpretation of it (contact info in profile). I think there are some missing pieces here, and I'd really like to discuss this issue in depth with someone who understands the tech and the law as I think there may be a startup in some other places this law is applicable.

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

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Thank you a ton for taking the time to patiently explain all this. So here's where I'm currently stuck. Or actually, I'm stuck in a few places right now: (1) This is less relevant to this particular debate, but it's highly relevant to the actual opt-out page. On the webpage, I don't see the word "sign" at all. I imagine merely filling in your name into that box and clicking "Submit" doesn't turn your name into your s…

You assumed that the process is done when you click that first Submit button, but it is not. There is an e-signing step that makes it clear what you are doing and what you are signing. [0] https://i.snag.gy/tSf20W.jpg

Damn, yeah I had no clue. This makes a ton of difference. Thanks for letting me know!

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

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Question: how do we prove in the court in the future that we've sent them the rejection letter?

Certified mail with a return receipt

Sending certified mail only can prove that something was sent. Doesn't necessarily mean that the mail you sent contained an opt-out notice.

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

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From one media manipulator to another: when you pay the premium price for a long-standing hacker news account, it's usually more convincing to let people find the comment history for themselves.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20160672 and marked it off-topic.
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