Earlier quoted context omitted.
> no reasonable person thought it didn’t What's a reasonable person? Plenty of "reasonable" people drink Coke every day because the system indoctrinates otherwise rational people into believing that sugar isn't a poison comparable to alcohol. One of my friends, who is an attorney, still thinks that snack foods devoid of fat but loaded with sugar are somehow healthier . Speculating how a rational person would respond…
What the hell is your problem with alcohol?
Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
41–50 of 152 posts
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#42I see a lot of these articles about Facebook and privacy lately, but I'm still wondering what, precisely, Facebook is doing that people object to and what kinds of changes would satisfy those who are upset. Near as I can tell, this is about data in Facebook's databases finding its way to other organizations without the users' knowledge or consent. But the way this happens is pretty benign: 1. User installs Facebook a…
1) Facebook uses any info I put into their platform to create a centralized, indexed, searchable, public database of people. This is dangerous for a lot of reasons, but notably in the vagaries of Facebook’s privacy settings (which seem to get reset every so often).
2) Facebook allows advertisers to target using a huge number of selection criteria. This allows advertisers to target some very specific — and vulnerable — groups in a way that is creepy at best. See also how the GOP was easily able to target specific racial cohorts in tight districts to spread FUD — the same tactics also work outside of politics when trying to sell things.
3) Machine learning outside of Facebook’s control makes it trivial to connect social media accounts to other activity the user may perform on the Internet — and thus connect that semi-anonymous online content to their real world relationships (e.g. the database of porn actresses linked to their Facebook profiles)
This collection of user data is Facebook’s entire business. The whole corporate bureaucracy is set up to protect this database and its data collection activities. You can’t have Facebook without it. So in a word, a lot of people object to Facebook’s entire business model — it’s just most people weren’t aware what that model asked them to give up until recently.
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#43I see a lot of these articles about Facebook and privacy lately, but I'm still wondering what, precisely, Facebook is doing that people object to and what kinds of changes would satisfy those who are upset. Near as I can tell, this is about data in Facebook's databases finding its way to other organizations without the users' knowledge or consent. But the way this happens is pretty benign: 1. User installs Facebook a…
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#44Honestly I don’t see the problem, Facebook’s privacy stance has been well known for years. I don’t use their product much because of this, but friends and family couldn’t care less. Their response is that they don’t care if someone reads their messages or tailors ads to them and no matter how hard I try it won’t change their minds. If you don’t like their privacy stance just don’t use the product, it’s not like there…
> no reasonable person thought it didn’t What's a reasonable person? Plenty of "reasonable" people drink Coke every day because the system indoctrinates otherwise rational people into believing that sugar isn't a poison comparable to alcohol. One of my friends, who is an attorney, still thinks that snack foods devoid of fat but loaded with sugar are somehow healthier . Speculating how a rational person would respond…
The question is do you combat that with education or with regulation? Personally I think the government’s track record with this kind of regulation is terrible, with the possible exception of cigarettes. In the US marijuana is still a schedule one drug right up there with opioids, which makes zero sense when you look at the risk profile of each drug.
Public education is extremely difficult, for example the Just Say No campaign fell mostly flat, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Cigarette usage is down these days due to both increased regulations and increased public awareness of the risks.
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't used Facebook in nearly 8 years, however to say there are alternatives is specious. For example, I have recently learned I missed my first high school reunion because it was only posted on Facebook. Unfortunately, there isn't another service out there that I could subscribe to that would ensure I receive such communication.
you mean like.. email?
I mean, to be fair, even Facebook won't necessarily tell you about an event unless the event creator pays them money to promote it. It's actually not a great platform for small-scale publicity, and _only_ publicizing an event on Facebook is clearly a mistake for a number of reasons. But despite its many virtues, email doesn't actually address GP's case at all.
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#46Honestly I don’t see the problem, Facebook’s privacy stance has been well known for years. I don’t use their product much because of this, but friends and family couldn’t care less. Their response is that they don’t care if someone reads their messages or tailors ads to them and no matter how hard I try it won’t change their minds. If you don’t like their privacy stance just don’t use the product, it’s not like there…
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
What the hell is your problem with alcohol?
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://...
This is getting off-topic, but just because the human body is well capable of expelling consumed alcohol doesn't mean that it won't suffer from other problems in the future like fatty liver disease(which is also caused by chronic sugar consumption, btw).
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#48I see a lot of these articles about Facebook and privacy lately, but I'm still wondering what, precisely, Facebook is doing that people object to and what kinds of changes would satisfy those who are upset. Near as I can tell, this is about data in Facebook's databases finding its way to other organizations without the users' knowledge or consent. But the way this happens is pretty benign: 1. User installs Facebook a…
That would definitely be how FB describes it...
But the reality is FB had previously been investigated by the FTC for privacy violations and practices, in order to avoid enforcement action, the entered into a settlement agreement with the FTC agreeing not to engage in certain practices, develop new privacy standards and practice and allow 3rd parties to audit their privacy practices regularly...
FB violates that settlment agreement, including but not limited to, scraping email contacts from its users which allowed them to not only get that initial data they were not entitled to but more importantly to them to obtain secondary email address they could link to single users and even emails of non-users to create shadow profiles and buildout their social network through other email contacts. For example I’m not a FB user, you are, they inviolation logged into your email and scaled your contacts, identifying me, and then they build my shadow profile and build my profile from every other user who had me in their contacts.
Probably not benign.
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I call BS. Every situation you mentioned exists because people passively accept the situation. Simply demanding a method to communicate other than Facebook can remedy the situation. I'd love to see a list of companies that require a Facebook account. Not ask for Facebook account, require Facebook account. "You may have relatives abroad you can only talk to through Facebook or WhatsApp" They can't pick up the phone? S…
So... you're opining on a service you've never used? I guess you're on the right site for that.
source: https://medium.com/@fagnerbrack/personal-experience-doesnt-m...
Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices
#50All organizations, no matter if they are public or private, need checks and balances at the top. I predict that legislation will become the de facto check on FB and there will be many negative unintended consequences for the rest of the tech industry, harming companies who are ethical stewards of privacy.
Can you name an organization that you think is an ethical steward of privacy?
Mozilla
Apple
Posteo.de (and similar email providers)
Signal app (though the app quality is very poor)
Matrix.org
SpiderOak
DuckDuckGo