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HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by egao1980 »

07d046 wrote: post #30
egao1980 wrote: post #23

How this is worse than US extraditions / kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad? Never mind Assange there are plenty of people arrested outside of US and moved to US prison.

For every thing the American judicial system does wrong, China does a hundred things worse. The conviction rate in China is well over 99% (if they want to find you guilty, they will). You can be detained with no access to a lawyer or family indefinitely. There is no separation of powers (the legal system isn't independent of the political system, and the constitution isn't worth anything). Torture and forced confessi…

Which countries China has recently invaded and currently wages war against?

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by greesil »

egao1980 wrote: post #31
07d046 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every thing the American judicial system does wrong, China does a hundred things worse. The conviction rate in China is well over 99% (if they want to find you guilty, they will). You can be detained with no access to a lawyer or family indefinitely. There is no separation of powers (the legal system isn't independent of the political system, and the constitution isn't worth anything). Torture and forced confessi…

Which countries China has recently invaded and currently wages war against?

Tibet.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by egao1980 »

ipython wrote: post #28
egao1980 wrote: post #23

How this is worse than US extraditions / kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad? Never mind Assange there are plenty of people arrested outside of US and moved to US prison.

What is your solution, then? The demonstrators should realize the futility of their position, give up, go home, and allow the situation to deteriorate further? Engaging in whataboutism just encourages the bad behavior you're highlighting here. It's a logical fallacy that leads to learned helplessness and a nihilistic worldview that actually ends up perpetuating the same vicious cycle I assume you wish to prevent.

Hong Kong is China though it has a formal autonomy. Anyone who thinks differently is heading for a nasty surprise.

Protests with street violence are making nice picture for Western media but will only bring trouble for individual local protesters. Criminal convictions, lost jobs, ruined careers.

This benefits only external actors that coordinate unrest and trying to get leverage on CCP in foreign affairs.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by hyperpallium »

188201 wrote: post #24
wiggler00m wrote: post #12

I asked a Hong Kong lawyer this week about the proposed extradition law. In particular, of the following, who would it apply to: a) Chinese nationals; b) HK nationals; c) foreign nationals. He advised it would apply to all three. Edit: he also said it's not impossible the bill will be withdrawn.

Yes, it is true. It is confirmed by pro-China lawyer in HK local newspaper. The prosecution of Huawei CFO make China targeting foreign nationals in Hong Kong for revenge. Moreover, the issue is not only about politics, but also economic. The most concern is about how China could use this to threaten any person including foreign nationals in Hong Kong. Have a business disputed with some Chinese business while in Hong…

Does China still have enough to gain, to make it worthwhile to destroy such an incredibly valuable asset?

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Post by egao1980 »

gruez wrote: post #32
egao1980 wrote: post #23

How this is worse than US extraditions / kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad? Never mind Assange there are plenty of people arrested outside of US and moved to US prison.

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To be fair, at the times you've mentioning US _was_ "lynching negros".

Here we have situation similar to US extraditing criminals from Puerto Rico. Why this suddenly become an issue?

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Post by egao1980 »

iamdelirium wrote: post #26
egao1980 wrote: post #23

How this is worse than US extraditions / kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad? Never mind Assange there are plenty of people arrested outside of US and moved to US prison.

The article doesn't talk about the US or Assange at all. Why are you even bringing it up?

Why moving criminals from one part of China to the other part of China becomes bigger issue than US kidnapping people all over the world?

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by egao1980 »

naringas wrote: post #25
egao1980 wrote: post #23

How this is worse than US extraditions / kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad? Never mind Assange there are plenty of people arrested outside of US and moved to US prison.

the USA ("Western") system has to at least fabricate some charges or destroy the target's reputation. the PRC doesn't seem to have such 'cumbersome' restrictions.

Tell that to the guys in Gitmo. Though they might be not nice and totally guilty nobody bothered to formally charge them.

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Post by kmonsen »

egao1980 wrote: post #31
07d046 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every thing the American judicial system does wrong, China does a hundred things worse. The conviction rate in China is well over 99% (if they want to find you guilty, they will). You can be detained with no access to a lawyer or family indefinitely. There is no separation of powers (the legal system isn't independent of the political system, and the constitution isn't worth anything). Torture and forced confessi…

Which countries China has recently invaded and currently wages war against?

I'm addition to Tibet they threaten Taiwan and all countries sharing a sea zone with them currently.
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