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Re: Is science fiction dying?

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I am a hardcore sci-fi fan. Although I basically grew up in a library, the most fascinating part of it were the two or three racks nobody frequented than me: the racks were full of hardcore sci-fi like heinlein, asimov, pkdick, silverberg, leguin, pohl, you name them. In that sense, Sci-Fi is actually dying, because in the last 10 years, I hardly found something that even remotely compares with the great work of thes…

I found the Gap Cycle rather good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gap_Cycle

and really quite enjoyed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nights_Dawn_Trilogy

and found pretty much everything in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_Space_universe to be as good as anything I've read by Heinlein, Clark et al.

Honestly, there's tons of good stuff out there, but it's just hard to separate it from the pulp. With the oldie goldies it's relatively easy because we have a few decades of people assessing those books.

Re: Is science fiction dying?

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When Syfy is adding shows about the paranormal, there is reason to worry.

No, it's picking a name like "Syfy" that's hurting sci-fi ;)

I know it's juvenile, but I've been pronouncing it "Siffy" since they made the change. Then again, they really don't seem to be a sci-fi channel anymore (wrestling, paranormal), so I guess it makes more sense.

Still, they occasionally have good programming still. I was pleasantly surprised to see Children of Men was on last weekend when I flipped by it. (Of course, I flipped back for that)

Re: Is science fiction dying?

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I find any discussion of sci-fi has to start with terms.

To me, sci-fi is fiction based in science that asks "what if"

What if we had time travel? What if we could read minds?

When you string together many such what-ifs, you end up in fantasy, which is what a lot of people today confuse with sci-fi.

Early Star Trek to me was sci-fi because there were believable contemporary characters engaged in asking and exploring around clear "what if" questions. Yes, there was a lot of mumbo-jumbo, but it mostly stayed out of the way. Soon, though, the Trek universe became so full of mumbo-jumbo, futuristic societies that could never exist (really? no money? Just how would that work?) and reversing the warp drive through the deflector grid nonsense that it quickly ended up in full space fantasy land.

I just got through with Hull Zero Three, and while I liked it, it struck me as a dark nightmare from a soulless author (I know nothing of the author, that's just my impression). I think there was a clear "what if", which was only put to the reader at the end. Therefore, I'd qualify it as sci-fi. Pretty good book, but dark.

But a lot of the crap, er, stuff I'm seeing that folks think is sci-fi is just long-format futuristic fantasy -- social commentary at an epic scale written with blasters and hyperdrives. Nothing wrong with that, but (to me) once you lose track of exploring that simple what-if question, it's more like commentary than analysis. You spend more time learning how the author views the universe than you do questioning you beliefs in how things are put together and what depends on what. Good stuff, certainly, but not sci-fi.

Re: Is science fiction dying?

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I am a hardcore sci-fi fan. Although I basically grew up in a library, the most fascinating part of it were the two or three racks nobody frequented than me: the racks were full of hardcore sci-fi like heinlein, asimov, pkdick, silverberg, leguin, pohl, you name them. In that sense, Sci-Fi is actually dying, because in the last 10 years, I hardly found something that even remotely compares with the great work of thes…

If you like Banks you might consider checking out the other two members of the "Scottish Clique", Ken Macleod and Charles Stross. Both write some really good stuff. Other new good hard SF writers might be Cory Doctorow, Michael Chabon, Rachel Swirsky, Sara Genge, Geoffrey Landis, Elizabeth Bear, Ted Chiang, Paolo Bacigalupi, Aliette de Bodard, Mary Robinette Kowal, Charlie Jane Anders, Felicity Shoulders, and Ian Tre…

Greg Egan should be on this list.

Re: Is science fiction dying?

#37

I find any discussion of sci-fi has to start with terms. To me, sci-fi is fiction based in science that asks "what if" What if we had time travel? What if we could read minds? When you string together many such what-ifs, you end up in fantasy, which is what a lot of people today confuse with sci-fi. Early Star Trek to me was sci-fi because there were believable contemporary characters engaged in asking and exploring…

(really? no money? Just how would that work?)

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the Star Trek universe, but there are other works of science fiction that explore this idea in a more plausible fashion. Iain M. Banks has written a number of novels about a post-scarcity civilisation called the Culture, which also lacks any sort of a financial system.

Re: Is science fiction dying?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you like Banks you might consider checking out the other two members of the "Scottish Clique", Ken Macleod and Charles Stross. Both write some really good stuff. Other new good hard SF writers might be Cory Doctorow, Michael Chabon, Rachel Swirsky, Sara Genge, Geoffrey Landis, Elizabeth Bear, Ted Chiang, Paolo Bacigalupi, Aliette de Bodard, Mary Robinette Kowal, Charlie Jane Anders, Felicity Shoulders, and Ian Tre…

Greg Egan should be on this list.

He's certainly good, I really loved Distress, but I guess I don't think of him as new. Which is sort of silly I guess, given that he's still putting out stuff. If we're including him might as well do Bruce Sterling as well. I'm rereading "Distraction" at the moment and it hold up pretty darn well - except for failures of understanding about the economics of software development.

Re: Is science fiction dying?

#40

It's a good question, but keep in mind that people have been asking it for the last 20 years.

From the article:

>Such statements regarding the death of SF are eternal. In 1960, for instance, a famous seminar was conducted under the heading "Who Killed Science Fiction?"

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