Anderson, the "Godfather of climate change science' advocates aerosol geo engineering experimentation https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pgaq57/harvard-calls-for-...
We Have Four Years to Save Ourselves from Climate Change, Harvard Scientist Says
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#12No we don't. Hyperbole around climate change just makes people more likely to disregard the actual dangers.
It's not clear to me if you've forgotten to provide evidence for the “No, we don’t”, or if you are making the argument that the assertion that the characterization of the danger as so imminent makes people less likely to believe and therefore the characterization is false.
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#13He'll prob be promoted for his hype game
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#14> "People at this point haven't come to grips with the irreversibility of this sea-level rise problem," Anderson said, displaying a map that shows the site of Harvard's new $10 billion Allston campus inundated after 3 meters of sea-level rise.
The Harvard scientist wants to save his new research center from climate change.
Also, submission should say "Five", instead of "Four".
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#15> "People at this point haven't come to grips with the irreversibility of this sea-level rise problem," Anderson said, displaying a map that shows the site of Harvard's new $10 billion Allston campus inundated after 3 meters of sea-level rise. The Harvard scientist wants to save his new research center from climate change. Also, submission should say "Five", instead of "Four".
The article is from January 2018, so if Dr. Anderson is correct we now have four years.
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#16> "People at this point haven't come to grips with the irreversibility of this sea-level rise problem," Anderson said, displaying a map that shows the site of Harvard's new $10 billion Allston campus inundated after 3 meters of sea-level rise. The Harvard scientist wants to save his new research center from climate change. Also, submission should say "Five", instead of "Four".
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#17It's amazing to me how most of these predictions refrain from calling out the single largest polluters in the world, China, from changing their behavior or doing anything substantial. In particular, this paragraph at the end:
> In Chicago Thursday, he prosecuted a moral argument that implicates university administrators who refuse to divest from fossil fuels, journalists who fail to fact-check false statements made by political candidates, and executives of fossil fuel companies who continue to pursue activities that are exacerbating climate change—especially those who mislead the public about those effects.
Really? Can you, as a man of science stand behind such vitriol as an outburst for what is arguably at best a theory with a lot of room for error? Specifically:
> "The chance that there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero," Anderson said
Based on WHAT? This man is making a claim for the complete wipe out of roughly seven million cubic miles of ice in the next three years? Even if one were to be charitable and entertain a massive error margin on this claim, based on data about the polar cycles it seems extremely unlikely. This is nothing but an attempt to use "Science" to create panic.
I strongly agree that we need to do more on the environment, but there's got to be a better answer than killing off a major chunk of the commercial markets and industry that have contributed to the single most prosperous period in human history. Can scientists please not make recommendations on policy? I'd love to hear scientific solutions . . just the other day, there was a discussion here on HN about using energy from a nuclear reactor to recycle atmospheric carbons. Practical or not, i'd love to see us innovate our way out of this hole while continuing to be reasonably responsible with our environmental decisions.
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#18...the Maldives are under water, and half of Florida doesn't exist any more. Oh, wait, that's not the case.
Assuming that assertion is true, though, 4 or 5 years is not enough time for anything to realistically be done.
I assert that in 20 years we'll still not see the supposed effects though.
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#19The loss of sea ice is stoking US heat waves: https://phys.org/news/2019-06-loss-arctic-sea-ice-stokes.htm...
Intense heat is also predicted for Europe this summer: https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/accuweather-2019...
James Anderson, the scientist from the article, also has linked ozone depletion with climate change: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-ozone-prob...
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#20Does "no more permanent ice" means there is a period of the year where there is no ice at all at the poles? That seems hardly believable. I was also under the impression that melting ice would push the level of the oceans by multiple meters. If 75-80% of ice has already melted, wouldn't we have seen significant elevation already? Just some facts that I found surprising, coming from someone who doesn't know much on th…
The problem with predictions like this is that this prediction will look silly in 4 years when the Earth has not ended, similar to how
wild predictions in the past have not borne fruit.
I understand their desire to sensationalize, but people like AOC make the same predictions, and she is not seen as smart by a large portion of the public.
I think if we just stick with the experimental science research, the general public will find more confidence in the sciences.