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Re: IPFS, Again

#11

Post by rzzzt »

janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

There is an alternative stack that works pretty much as you describe, its browser being Beaker: https://beakerbrowser.com/docs/tour/

There is an option in there to seed visited content as well as to host your own stuff.

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by jeremyboom8 »

janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

> Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud?

This is exactly what the http://metacurrency.org project aims to bring to life: http://holo.host/learn/ and http://ceptr.org

The distributed pattern they have created combines Git local source chains with cryptographic signing and BitTorrent’s DHT to create easily evolvable apps using http://holochain.org. Peer validation enforces rules defined in the logic of each app. Apps run locally instead of on a corporate server. If the current tech ecosystem is Platform Capitalism, then this pattern is Protocol Cooperativism.

I haven’t come across anything like this.

Re: IPFS, Again

#13

Post by microcolonel »

Indeed IPFS performs very poorly in almost every way; it is extremely resource intensive, and generally unable to find objects which are not extremely well known.

Re: IPFS, Again

#14

Post by zachsherman »

rzzzt wrote: post #11
janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

There is an alternative stack that works pretty much as you describe, its browser being Beaker: https://beakerbrowser.com/docs/tour/ There is an option in there to seed visited content as well as to host your own stuff.

Yeah I was so confused why the author didn't just use dat it's so easy

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by x3ro »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #6
janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

The middle ground might be to use a local hosting company that has it's own servers and racks. Pay a bit more, but boycott the big clouds for personal websites. You could probably host a few dozen static blogs on a physical machine for say $100/m. If 100 people do that it's affordable.

Uberspace [1] does something like this in Germany. You get to pay what you want, too.

[1]: https://uberspace.de/en/

Edit: I'm not affiliated with them other than being a customer.

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by ghoulfarmer »

A smile comes on my face whenver I seen IPFS on HN...

The author could have gone an step further and used ENS. IPFS+ENS is becoming a common duo. Web browsers can't do ipfs:// but they can do https://insertipfsgateway/ipfs/Qm... With ENS (.eth) domains can resolve to ipfs:// and Metamask picks those up and turns them into gateway links.

There's a list of .eth domains & other ENS+IPFS info here:

https://gateway.ipfs.io /ipfs/QmUJKsA1FQRo4rGKJ9WAXNnv6o6HXy4NoJiWH97gPZUddV/ens+ipfs/list-of_ENSIPFS-websites.html

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by rzzzt »

zachsherman wrote: post #14
rzzzt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an alternative stack that works pretty much as you describe, its browser being Beaker: https://beakerbrowser.com/docs/tour/ There is an option in there to seed visited content as well as to host your own stuff.

Yeah I was so confused why the author didn't just use dat it's so easy

I'd like to read a comparison between the two hosting experiences; I'm not sure that eg. the linking-to-other-content part would be easier in dat-world, unless they run a pinning/re-hosting/gateway service tied to their current domain (which is doable, either standalone, or via Hashbase).

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by emmanueloga_ »

Just today I was looking into IPFS vs DAT, does anybody have any insights about the similarities/differences other than the ones listed here [1]?

From far away, DAT looks smaller and better documented (perhaps less ambitious, too?) Apparently the best IPFS overview is the 2015 paper [2] which looks pretty daunting and does not seem to cover any practical considerations.

1: https://docs.datproject.org/docs/faq#how-is-dat-different-th...

2: https://github.com/ipfs/papers/blob/master/ipfs-cap2pfs/ipfs...

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by sprash »

A good alternative to IPFS that works today is magnet links and torrents.

There are "youtube competitors" that offload the high bandwith requirements via webtorrents running in javascript.

You can not host your full webpage with it but you can reduce bandwith costs drastically.

A good alternative to DNS is namecoin. It already works flawlessly and I honestly wonder why it has not been adopted more widely.

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by unicornporn »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #18

Just today I was looking into IPFS vs DAT, does anybody have any insights about the similarities/differences other than the ones listed here [1]? From far away, DAT looks smaller and better documented (perhaps less ambitious, too?) Apparently the best IPFS overview is the 2015 paper [2] which looks pretty daunting and does not seem to cover any practical considerations. 1: https://docs.datproject.org/docs/faq#how-is-…

I would recommend this recent take on Dat:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20162199

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