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Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#121

Worth mentioning that the value of HIBP is largely based on trust in Troy Hunt. I think he’s an incredible guy who does incredible work; but he’s also an Australian citizen. Due to our new surveillance laws, he could be forced to backdoor HIBP, or more likely, Pwned Passwords. This is possibly a step by Troy to mitigate that risk, and given his position I’m surprised he didn’t mention that at all in this post.

What would backdooring HIBP achieve?

It's not a repository or method of communications.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#123
post #35

But we see that so often. The original founder of a thing has a list of requirements he wants met, he wants to stay onboard. But then stuff happens and the buyer uses his control. Think Instagram, Whatsapp, Tumblr(?) - there are thousand examples. I'd hope Troy reconsidered the "just create a business yourself" solution. That could be structured in a way that makes sure the trust Troy earned stays linked to the proje…

For context, I've sold a business, been a full time entrepreneur for about 16 years, got it wrong many times and am currently the founder/CEO of a biz with a team of around 40 people, strong cashflow and we continue to grow and innovate - and we're founder controlled. I met with Troy briefly for coffee about 8 to 12 months ago and we chatted a bit about this. I sensed his aversion to growing the biz back then. Seemed…

Hear, hear. I hope Troy, and others in similar shoes, will read this and consider it carefully.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#124
post #114

In some ways, wouldn't it be great if the internet had evolved with, analogously to DNS, 'User Name Servers', like a sort of global distributed IAM? Leak monitoring would be a service provided by the UNS, not falling to a volunteer, and credential revocation could be automatic and immediate. I suppose we sort of have that bolted on with OpenID/OAuth, but that's still 'choose a provider' rather than 'this is the one w…

The critical flaw (for users) of Oauth is that there is no portability between providers. Unlike a domain name, You can't move your login ID to a different provider

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#125
post #60

I hope that the SHA1 hashes remain freely available for download. I use them to build a bloom filter for password vetting. We should all do away with password complexity rules (except minimum length) and simply test a large, comprehensive exposed password bloom filter for membership. It's very fast (constant time) and efficient and if the test returns no, then it's safe for a user to select that password. Here's the…

That doesn't work, because of hunter2 is in the PW database but hunter3 isn't, your system will think hunter3 is secure even though it's not.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#127
post #35

But we see that so often. The original founder of a thing has a list of requirements he wants met, he wants to stay onboard. But then stuff happens and the buyer uses his control. Think Instagram, Whatsapp, Tumblr(?) - there are thousand examples. I'd hope Troy reconsidered the "just create a business yourself" solution. That could be structured in a way that makes sure the trust Troy earned stays linked to the proje…

For context, I've sold a business, been a full time entrepreneur for about 16 years, got it wrong many times and am currently the founder/CEO of a biz with a team of around 40 people, strong cashflow and we continue to grow and innovate - and we're founder controlled. I met with Troy briefly for coffee about 8 to 12 months ago and we chatted a bit about this. I sensed his aversion to growing the biz back then. Seemed…

Excellent, excellent post. I do hope Troy reads it.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#128

So many people saying the value of HIBP is the trust in Troy Hunt. But surely I'm not the only one that has used the service for years (and shared it with friends) without knowing anything about Troy Hunt...

The trust is coming from infosec people who are sharing their datasets with him, not really from users.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

#129
post #60

I hope that the SHA1 hashes remain freely available for download. I use them to build a bloom filter for password vetting. We should all do away with password complexity rules (except minimum length) and simply test a large, comprehensive exposed password bloom filter for membership. It's very fast (constant time) and efficient and if the test returns no, then it's safe for a user to select that password. Here's the…

That doesn't work, because of hunter2 is in the PW database but hunter3 isn't, your system will think hunter3 is secure even though it's not.

I think it should be two step - checking against the list and if that passes, complexity check. Covers complex passwords that are known to have been in use/leaked and non-complex ones too.
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