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Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by moate »

marvin-83 wrote: post #43
moate wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they're able to tell how old the whale is when it died. They're not observing whales from birth to death in each instance. If you tried to do that, you'd be unable to speak on life expectancy on species with lifespans greater than like 10 years.

by autopsy? Or is there clear external physiology that indicates the age?

https://www.quora.com/How-do-biologists-tell-the-age-of-a-wh...

Quick and dirty: size is a pretty good indicator to approximate, but if you've got yourself a dead whale you can check the bones to get a better number.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by uhhhhhhh »

tonmoy wrote: post #36
mutt2016 wrote: post #28

China is going to be so pissed. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-dolphins... This is political. I'm sure of it.

I fail to see the connection between whales and dolphins kept in captivity in China vs a law being passed in Canada

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/whales-belu...

They are pursuing one of these sanctuaries in Canada at the moment among other countries.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by technovader »

rifung wrote: post #128
Gpetrium wrote: post #101

Zoos can serve as an opportunity for people from different demographics to be able to see a small sample of what the world has to offer. It can also help facilitate conservation efforts by allowing people to have direct & indirect interactions with the animals and professionals in the area, which they would not have otherwise. Some people have advised to "Close Zoos and encourage people to see the animal in nature" w…

> If society believes that some animals should not be in captivity at all due to moral/practical reasons, it is worth asking: What other technologically driven solutions can be made/used to help people of all demographics experience what it is like to be in front of X animal Seems like the perfect use case for VR?

Let's solve everything with VR. Throw in some cryptochain as well for good measure.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by maxxxxx »

Millennium wrote: post #131
Reedx wrote: post #108

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That's a fair question. Just think about how many cats and dogs are stuck inside small apartments most of their lives.

To some extent that's a matter of perspective and context. Keeping a Great Dane or even a Border Collie in a small apartment is a very different thing from keeping a Chihuahua in one.

For most people getting a Border Collie is really bad and just mean to the dog. These dogs are very smart and active and they lose their mind if they have nothing to do. They are working dogs, not pets.

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Post by p1esk »

diveanon wrote: post #58

I believe it will one day be possible to use AI techniques to communicate directly with these animals. I have often thought about running whale song through a RNN and broadcasting underwater to listen for responses. We don't need to go to other planets to find intelligent nonhuman life, it is already here and we are wiping them out and enslaving them. Our grandchildren will learn about this genocide in the same way w…

I'm pretty sure our grandkids will have much worse things to learn about our time.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by _s »

technovader wrote: post #143
rifung wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If society believes that some animals should not be in captivity at all due to moral/practical reasons, it is worth asking: What other technologically driven solutions can be made/used to help people of all demographics experience what it is like to be in front of X animal Seems like the perfect use case for VR?

Let's solve everything with VR. Throw in some cryptochain as well for good measure.

Don’t forget some AI, machine learning and microservices!

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by Tiktaalik »

uhhhhhhh wrote: post #133
Tiktaalik wrote: post #110

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Getting political, but this is classic Liberal Party. It's smart politics. It allows the party to claim the mantle of progressiveness even though it wasn't really them that did any of the work. See also: Gay Marriage legalization. The Liberals passed a bill legalizing it, but only after the courts of two provinces were set to make it legal anyway.

Gay Marriage was legalized nationally, not limited to 2 provinces, so it was actually significant and they did support it and pushed through the legislation. Same with this bill. To downplay it because companies have already been adjusting to this expected reality quite petty, and they deserve full credit for the legislation of it.

It is not believable that rules restricting gay marriage would be struck down in some provinces but not others in Canada. Legalization was obviously inevitable.

A few years prior the Liberal government of the day was opposed to gay marriage and voted to confirm the status quo definition of marriage.

The Liberals of course deserve credit for seeing the obvious and not attempting any action to block gay marriage further, but they did not lift a finger to support gay marriage until the courts weighed in and forced the issue upon them.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #148
uhhhhhhh wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gay Marriage was legalized nationally, not limited to 2 provinces, so it was actually significant and they did support it and pushed through the legislation. Same with this bill. To downplay it because companies have already been adjusting to this expected reality quite petty, and they deserve full credit for the legislation of it.

It is not believable that rules restricting gay marriage would be struck down in some provinces but not others in Canada. Legalization was obviously inevitable. A few years prior the Liberal government of the day was opposed to gay marriage and voted to confirm the status quo definition of marriage. The Liberals of course deserve credit for seeing the obvious and not attempting any action to block gay marriage furthe…

Even at that point the Conservatives voted against - they aren't great in a vacuum, but once you compare the two leading parties there's clearly a difference, one side going with social evolution as opposed to voting against. The Conservative's declared it a free vote as well, so it's not just the opposition filling its role as the opposition.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by grawprog »

maxxxxx wrote: post #60

Let’s hope this will soon be extended to other animals like bears, mountain lions and other who have huge ranges they usually live in. They develop a lot of psychotic behavior in captivity like constant pacing and others. Not sure if it’s much better but at a minimum they should be kept in large areas like parks where you then drive through so they have some area to roam.

I agree with this sentiment. Seeing the way grizzly bears act in a zoo is pretty heartbreaking. They normally have ranges of hundreds of square kilometers. The pen i seen it in was less then 500 square meters for sure. It just kept pacing and throwing a log around kind of like a big dog. Then would do a round of the enclosure then back to pacing and the log.
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