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Chinese Cash Is Suddenly Toxic in Silicon Valley, Following U.S. Pressure

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Re: Chinese Cash Is Suddenly Toxic in Silicon Valley, Following U.S. Pressure

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Post by KorematsuFred »

surge wrote: post #6

Chinese investment means increased pressure on tech oligopolies* to increase censorship of media critical of China. They've been branching out to increase soft influence, keep news sites and Olympic committee from recognizing Taiwan as a separate nation. Then there's what is currently going on in Hong Kong. Chinese investor cash is effectively Chinese government investment. It's not a good thing. *edit

Is this very different from Americans though ? Americans have forced all nations to treat Iran as a terrorist state when it is very friendly to rest of the world compared to Saudi. Saudi Barbaria exists only because of Americans.

Can we say with certainty that American money isn't coming to other countries with strings attached ?

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Post by entropea »

lenzm wrote: post #127
entropea wrote: post #104

Could somebody explain to me the vicious American hate for China from a totally uninformed viewpoint? Any links to read why I should also dislike China?

From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion[1] including large open air internment camps for ethnic/religious minorities like the Uyghur[2], political imprisonment[3], alleged organ harvesting of prisoners[4], supporting North Korea ... From a purely tech perspective, state-sponsored hacking[5] and IP theft[6] are common. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China [2] ht…

Those are all things the USA has done in its past, and currently holds 2.3 million in prison with prison slavery legalized. Some of those are just "alleged" too.

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Post by leroy_masochist »

jacquesm wrote: post #107
leroy_masochist wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Absolutely nobody but a very select few people would care. Are you kidding me, it would be on the front page of the Journal. People would care after that.

The typical news cycle lasts about 48 hours. People have no problem remembering what 9/11 was all about because it was the top item for over a year. Now ask them in what year it was and see if you get the right answer. If YC has to stop doing business in China, it will be a very momentary blip and China will most definitely not change course because of a PG blogpost.

I think you're eliding the fact that technology development and specifically startup growth are current strategic priorities for the PRC, and making a straw man by framing my argument as "China will change course because of a PG blogpost".

And also, do you really know multiple people who do not know what year 9/11 happened? C'mon

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Post by leroy_masochist »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #126
leroy_masochist wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Absolutely nobody but a very select few people would care. Are you kidding me, it would be on the front page of the Journal. People would care after that.

I don't even know which "Journal" you're talking about. Paul Graham is not as well-known or influential as you think.

Wall Street Journal

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Post by darkpuma »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #55

I always laugh whenever I remember how Zuckerberg was pandering to the Chinese, like insisting to poorly speak Mandarin on some QA panel with Chinese students and such. The times they are a-changin!

> " like insisting to poorly speak Mandarin on some QA panel with Chinese students and such."

That's peanuts; check out this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/119106...

> The awkward moment reportedly arose when the Facebook founder, speaking in Mandarin, asked Mr Xi if could would honour him by giving his unborn baby daughter an honorary Chinese name. According to sources, Mr Xi politely declined, saying it was “too much responsibility”, reported Page Six, a celebrity news site for the New York Post.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

lenzm wrote: post #127
entropea wrote: post #104

Could somebody explain to me the vicious American hate for China from a totally uninformed viewpoint? Any links to read why I should also dislike China?

From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion[1] including large open air internment camps for ethnic/religious minorities like the Uyghur[2], political imprisonment[3], alleged organ harvesting of prisoners[4], supporting North Korea ... From a purely tech perspective, state-sponsored hacking[5] and IP theft[6] are common. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China [2] ht…

It kinda proves OP's point that Americans would be so outraged about somebody else violating the rights of muslims..

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Post by inflatableDodo »

nine_k wrote: post #63
ffn wrote: post #43

I'm all for openness and transparency, but wouldn't an increase in US refusal to play with China just lead to more censorship and oppression by the communist Chinese government? Consider the following: 1. The Chinese communist government derives its legitimacy to rule almost exclusively from its massive economic growth (i.e. Chinese citizens and corporations are effectively saying to themselves "I'm ok to trade some…

I would like to remind that the Soviet regime was defeated by economic issues. I think the only reason the CPC regime might change is due to economic problems. The more abrupt they would be, the better: people need to remember better times and demand change to get back there — including people at higher positions in CPC itself. Remember how the "cultural revolution" fiasco led to serious liberalization and eventually…

>I would like to remind that the Soviet regime was defeated by economic issues.

It was brought to its knees by economic issues. It was defeated by helping install a puppet imbecile. And looking at current affairs, I suspect they may have held a grudge.

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Post by Mr_Shiba »

lenzm wrote: post #127
entropea wrote: post #104

Could somebody explain to me the vicious American hate for China from a totally uninformed viewpoint? Any links to read why I should also dislike China?

From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion[1] including large open air internment camps for ethnic/religious minorities like the Uyghur[2], political imprisonment[3], alleged organ harvesting of prisoners[4], supporting North Korea ... From a purely tech perspective, state-sponsored hacking[5] and IP theft[6] are common. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China [2] ht…

> From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion

This judgement coming from the country with the highest incarceration rate, criminalized abortion, caged immigrants, historic systematic racism, legal bribery (lobbying), genrrymandering electoral system, countless invasions with disastrous results in the middle east, africa & asia

Don't get me wrong but outside the US everyone is wondering what is the moral high ground?

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Post by unbroken »

entropea wrote: post #123
mooseburger wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's up to me, doing any business that aids the Chinese government is unethical.

Why though? You could just make a bunch of whataboutism's that prove the USA has the very same horrors that China does in its own economy. Why the double standard? As someone pointed out above, this seems like xenophobia and not much else. They don't pose a war threat and any war would be initiated by USA.

No, there are no current day U.S. equivalents to the Uyghur reeducation camps, the ethnic cleansing of Tibet, and the extreme censorship.

What's more, there is no evidence that China is even capable of changing course on these matters, given that their reaction to all these is to deny that they're even real, even suppressing the merest mention of them.

Notably, this is not what the US does with its own wrongdoing, as even extreme anti-government sentiment is allowed to be freely expressed.

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