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The War to Free Science

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Re: The War to Free Science

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I'm glad that Vox is interested in Free Science while at the same time blatantly ignoring the thoroughly researched race-IQ connection [1][2]. [1]: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/s... [2]: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/17182692/bell-curve-charles-mu...

i might be ignorant to the 'Free Science' movement, but what does open access to academic research have to do with Race/IQ correlations?

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Re: The War to Free Science

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post #3

While open access seems great, and the reasoning behind it is inline with my ideals, I still have problems with "gold" OA, which seems to be what is being referred to within this article: >Put another way: Publishers are still going to get paid. Open access just means the paychecks come at the front end. Firstly, the fees imposed by journals are thousands of dollars, which is far too much for many researchers to pay.…

I tried to negotiate with one journal regarding their OA fees, and I didn't get anywhere. Their journal, which I preferred because it was more specialized (it's not particularly prestigious because few people know about it) charges about 40% more than the cheapest OA journal in my field. The journal staff didn't seem to care how much cheaper their competition is. Not surprisingly, almost no one publishes OA in that journal.

Still, the cheapest in my field is AIAA journal at $2000 per article. That's still outrageous. Given my understanding of what happens behind the scenes I find it hard to believe any journal actually needs that much money to stay profitable.

I'd be happy to pay an order of magnitude less, say $200, if that could ensure the article stays online for a long period of time. I don't know anything about starting new journals, but I hope competition helps this situation. I might start a journal someday...

Re: The War to Free Science

#13
post #4

> One big reason: pirates, including Kazakh neuroscientist Alexandra Elbakyan. Her (illegal) website Sci-Hub sees more than 500,000 visitors daily, and hosts more than 50 million academic papers. Definitely citation needed on the “(illegal)”. FYI, this site is very useful and keeps track of the ever-changing sci hub links: https://sci-hub.now.sh/

Ha, that's interesting - the concept and execution seems almost identical a the project I shared [1] here more than a year ago: https://whereisscihub.now.sh/

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16591962

Re: The War to Free Science

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post #5
post #4

> One big reason: pirates, including Kazakh neuroscientist Alexandra Elbakyan. Her (illegal) website Sci-Hub sees more than 500,000 visitors daily, and hosts more than 50 million academic papers. Definitely citation needed on the “(illegal)”. FYI, this site is very useful and keeps track of the ever-changing sci hub links: https://sci-hub.now.sh/

Question - what makes sci-hub.now.sh, which is essentially acting as a kind of manual DNS, more resilient to censorship than the actual DNS system that necessitates all these ever-changing links? And can we automate it?

I'd guess it's the same as what makes Wikipedia resilient: they're just links. As long as Wikipedia and Wikidata can link to the current location of Sci-Hub, why can't other sites?

Re: The War to Free Science

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post #3

While open access seems great, and the reasoning behind it is inline with my ideals, I still have problems with "gold" OA, which seems to be what is being referred to within this article: >Put another way: Publishers are still going to get paid. Open access just means the paychecks come at the front end. Firstly, the fees imposed by journals are thousands of dollars, which is far too much for many researchers to pay.…

Unfortunately the term Gold Open Access has been co-opted by the publishers. When the OA movement was using the term, they meant "published open access by the publisher, rather than posting alternative editions elsewhere (Green OA)". The publishers then started using it to mean author-pays Open Access.

Thus, when OA advocates use the term Gold OA, that gets interpreted the way you do above - whereas they usually intend for the fees to be low or non-existent, for authors. Some have started to use Diamond or Platinum OA for that, but it's hard to get that to stick now.

The point is: there are definitely Open Access models possible where publishing does not entail thousands of dollars of publication costs. This has been proven by many quality journals already.

Re: The War to Free Science

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This is a war every philanthropist should be waging.

Calling Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and all others : please make science Free, Forever, For Everybody.

There's no bigger creator of human development opportunities than free science (imho).

More than a decade? ago, Bill Gates freed the Feynman lectures, only to lock it in Microsoft's Adobe Flash-competing technology, silverlight.

Now do it properly : make it free as in beer and free as in freedom. Yes Bill, you pay everything, we nothing.

Re: The War to Free Science

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post #5
post #4

> One big reason: pirates, including Kazakh neuroscientist Alexandra Elbakyan. Her (illegal) website Sci-Hub sees more than 500,000 visitors daily, and hosts more than 50 million academic papers. Definitely citation needed on the “(illegal)”. FYI, this site is very useful and keeps track of the ever-changing sci hub links: https://sci-hub.now.sh/

Question - what makes sci-hub.now.sh, which is essentially acting as a kind of manual DNS, more resilient to censorship than the actual DNS system that necessitates all these ever-changing links? And can we automate it?

The actual DNS system is vulnerable to domain registrar takedown requests.

Re: The War to Free Science

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post #8

I'm glad that Vox is interested in Free Science while at the same time blatantly ignoring the thoroughly researched race-IQ connection [1][2]. [1]: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/s... [2]: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/17182692/bell-curve-charles-mu...

Is this related to the subject of the article somehow?

An example is Vox's current tirade against YouTube with the goal of censoring certain creators in the name of one-sided "inclusivity."

What happens when Vox aims their influence at scientific publications publishing research with uncomfortable implications? For example, the genetic factor in IQ, violence, and development.

That's all I'm saying. I don't think their proclivity for censorship will merely stop at social media platforms.

Re: The War to Free Science

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post #8

I'm glad that Vox is interested in Free Science while at the same time blatantly ignoring the thoroughly researched race-IQ connection [1][2]. [1]: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/s... [2]: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/17182692/bell-curve-charles-mu...

i might be ignorant to the 'Free Science' movement, but what does open access to academic research have to do with Race/IQ correlations?

See my reply to RobertoG.

Re: The War to Free Science

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This is a war every philanthropist should be waging. Calling Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and all others : please make science Free, Forever, For Everybody. There's no bigger creator of human development opportunities than free science (imho). More than a decade? ago, Bill Gates freed the Feynman lectures, only to lock it in Microsoft's Adobe Flash-competing technology, silverlight. Now do it properly : make it free…

The Gates Foundation incidentally is one of the strongest voices in the push for Open Access. As a large and influential scientific funder, they were one of the first to demand research they funded to be OA, and recently one of the first non-founding parties to sign up for the strongest push for OA so far: Plan S.

Unfortunately, it's not a problem you can solve just by throwing money at it. It's primarily an incentive problem, and the only influence the Gates Foundation has on that is through its funding of research. In that regard, it's doing very well.

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