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I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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During the single day of this test, I found three Wheels with intentionally cut brake lines WTF is wrong with people? I understand these things are annoying and litter sidewalks, but intentionally cutting brakes to harm someone? Jeez, this is just shitty behavior

You know what shitty behavior is ? Riding on the sidewalks. Fucking with these scooters in any manner is a form of resistance.

At least destroy them in a way that doesn't endanger people.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And then the conclusion is that the most bicycle-like one is best because it's more bicycle-like. Seems like a category arbitrage rather than a fair analysis of mobility options. And refusing to take bike paths with not-a-bike is apparently eliminatory rather than making the device shoot up to the top of the ranking. Give the article opens up with > they want the rights of a pedestrian, the rights of a bicycle, and…

I understand that rules for bike paths depend on local jurisdiction, but why wouldn't an e-scooter fit a bike path in Venice, CA? Over here (Finland, like all of Europe) we have roads, we have bike paths, and we have pedestrian pavements. E-scooters are always good for bike paths, and if they move faster than 15 km/h, they are not to be ridden in pedestrian areas, only bike paths, even if they are not exactly bikes.…

"Over here (Finland, like all of Europe) we have roads, we have bike paths, and we have pedestrian pavements. E-scooters are always good for bike paths, "

These escooters aren't even legal to use at all in any place that is public in the Netherlands, let alone that it would be decided where they should ride.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#83
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This is the first I've heard of people tampering with the brake systems - it's incredibly malicious. I understand some people might be frustrated by the scooters, but is manslaughter really the right way to go about it?

Pure BS, The first manslaughter will be due to the scooter that runs into a kid. Stay off the sidewalks.

When you find yourself posting in every comment thread of a single submission to grind your axe, it's probably time to look for a new submission to participate in or take a break from HN.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#84
So, this is a comparison about how lenient various scooter companies are when it comes to allowing use on restricted bike lanes in a particular city. This article applies to people living in Venice Beach who want to ride these in bike lanes and not much else.

The bike looks cool though.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but I like the ability to make that choice. My car is not governed, why should my scooter be? This is not unreasonble, even if inconvenient thinking.

I would generally be in favour of restrictions that stopped cars driving on cycle lanes.

Until there's a broken-down vehicle blocking the road, and the only way around it involves encroaching on the cycle lane (carefully!) ... but your hi-tech geofenced car forbids that, so you're stuck.

Or you attempt to move out of the way of an oncoming emergency vehicle, as it's barrelling down the centre of the road to reach a dying patient ... but it needs an extra couple of feet of space that you can only give it if you move partly into the cycle lane. And your car refuses.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#86

During the single day of this test, I found three Wheels with intentionally cut brake lines WTF is wrong with people? I understand these things are annoying and litter sidewalks, but intentionally cutting brakes to harm someone? Jeez, this is just shitty behavior

You know people give Americans shit for opposing anything 'public' but it's not a sentiment out of nowhere. Everything made for public use is abused and turned to complete shit. Not sure if it's a cultural thing or what.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#87

Ive been using an ‘adult’ push scooter for five years in an urban environment. This year I encountered the electric rentals for the first time, and bought a Xiaomi m365 (aka the Bird scooter). I also have a normal bike. They serve different purposes. Either version of a scooter is safer. I’ve been in a few situations where I’ve simply stepped off the plank and become an instant pedestrian, to avoid cars which would h…

Is the m365 good? I was thinking about getting one a few days ago. I usually cycle, but a scooter would be nice for smaller distances around the city.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#88

Maybe I'm coming into this with low expectations; the best we have in NYC is the CitiBikes (by Motivate) that are strictly human powered, dock-based, and not cheap. But I love these scooters and would vote for any candidate for mayor that made it a priority to remove the blocks preventing these things from being issued. When I was in Venice on business, I used all of these scooters (except the 'Wheels', which to me l…

I visited D.C. recently and the National Mall is a decent 'padded room' for tourists to ride scooters, but even with large open areas and wide paths there were still numerous instances where scooters disrupted flow of pedestrians. I think Manhattan lacks the space necessary for tourists to ride the scooters, and everyone to store them, and introducing the scooters with existing strategies would quickly become a large safety and traffic congestion problem.

If they could do the following, then it may be possible: Restrict to residents and possibly allow visitors who have ridden a certain amount in other cities. Restrict availability in large parts of the city to certain hours. Strong enforcement of no riding on sidewalks. Scooters must be stored in docks or racks, may not be left on streets (providers must rent storefronts or space in/near bodegas with penalties for scooters left on streets).

Even with all of this, I still think the scooters would become burden.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#89
Well, "rode all the e-scooters one can rent". Spend your own hard-earned, and better options abound even if you just buy the retail version of the Xiaomi/Ninebot that Bird/Lime use because it won't be geo-fenced.

And I'd rather walk than ride the clown bicycle that was the #1 pick, and I say this as one who rides a Xiaomi standup scooter to work every day.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#90
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evil and insane people unfortunately do exist. Some of the failures of modern technology are directly related to refusing or ignoring this inconvenient truth.

And some of the worst abuses of power and technology have come from assuming that evil people are relatively common rather than extremely rare.

Sadly, crime is fundamentally asymmetric: a small number of bad actors can inflict damage and pain on a large number of victims.

This is particularly well-known in the domain of public urban facilities, where everything can be assumed to suffer vandalism or sabotage at any given time. You only need a handful of thugs to have a “gang” that can effectively demolish anything fairly quickly, including facilities used by hundreds or thousands of people. Defensive design, in this domain, is not just warranted but necessary.

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