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Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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Does this really fall foul of GDPR? I would have guessed that once your data is in the wild, there is nothing in GDPR that applies. GDPR puts certain responsibilities on groups you give your data to treat that data in certain ways in terms of who it is shared with, which would not seem to apply to someone offering a lookup of an in the wild dataset. I'm curious if my naive understanding of this is wrong.

I’m not sure how GDPR applies to HIBP. GDPR is all about data that is shared by the user. But HIBP is about data that hasn’t been shared by a user, but rather, is available publicly. It’s a grey area at the very least.

> GDPR is all about data that is shared by the user.

No it isn't. It covers my data no matter how you got it, with a few exceptions.

EDIT: Please feel free to point to the legislation showing that GDPR only applies to data supplied by the subject.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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Many people here assuming that Troy Hunt will leave HIBP after selling it. He explicitly mentions that he will remain a part of it: > I'll remain a part of HIBP. I fully intend to be part of the acquisition, that is some company gets me along with the project. HIBP's brand is intrinsically tied to mine and at present, it needs me to go along with it.

HIBP has little value without Troy, so he has to come as part of the package.

But for his own well-being over time he needs to delegate and divest himself as the single bus factor for HIBP. But that does not have to happen instantly and can be gradual without affecting the value of HIBP (in money and usefulness for us).

Whoever purchases HIBP also knows this. And as with most acquisitions, they eventually oust the founders. But for it to be successful it is after a long time when it has properly matured into an organisation.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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Something to keep in mind is that the datasets being shared with Troy are almost all already available on underground forums, some openly, some for sale.

And whilst its impossible to police effectively the datasets on various forums, it seems KPMG and Troy Hunt are just not aware of the fact that GDPR exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Its quite interesting putting in various peoples email addresses to see what sites they are linked to. Maybe once he has made some money out of it, a GDPR claim and financial settlement can be made a…

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Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something to keep in mind is that the datasets being shared with Troy are almost all already available on underground forums, some openly, some for sale.

And whilst its impossible to police effectively the datasets on various forums, it seems KPMG and Troy Hunt are just not aware of the fact that GDPR exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Its quite interesting putting in various peoples email addresses to see what sites they are linked to. Maybe once he has made some money out of it, a GDPR claim and financial settlement can be made a…

It looks like he's based in Australia, so Europeans wouldn't have to worry too much about having tariffs rained down upon them in retribution. I say go for it.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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I cannot say enough praises of Troy and HIBP. But it is a risky operation. I understand HIBP derives its value from grey-ish hats sharing with Troy any leaked dataset they find because they know him or because of his reputation. If he leaves, it is not clear to me that his trust and reputation will stay behind with the company running HIBP. The minute HIBP ceases to be the central place for these new datasets to be s…

> I'll remain a part of HIBP. I fully intend to be part of the acquisition, that is some company gets me along with the project. HIBP's brand is intrinsically tied to mine and at present, it needs me to go along with it. He's made it pretty clear in the blog post that he intends to stay on and has acknowledged that his reputation plays an important part in making HIBP what it is.

One this is to trust a person. Absolutely another - trust whole company where this person works.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And whilst its impossible to police effectively the datasets on various forums, it seems KPMG and Troy Hunt are just not aware of the fact that GDPR exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Its quite interesting putting in various peoples email addresses to see what sites they are linked to. Maybe once he has made some money out of it, a GDPR claim and financial settlement can be made a…

It looks like he's based in Australia, so Europeans wouldn't have to worry too much about having tariffs rained down upon them in retribution. I say go for it.

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Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And whilst its impossible to police effectively the datasets on various forums, it seems KPMG and Troy Hunt are just not aware of the fact that GDPR exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Its quite interesting putting in various peoples email addresses to see what sites they are linked to. Maybe once he has made some money out of it, a GDPR claim and financial settlement can be made a…

Does this really fall foul of GDPR? I would have guessed that once your data is in the wild, there is nothing in GDPR that applies. GDPR puts certain responsibilities on groups you give your data to treat that data in certain ways in terms of who it is shared with, which would not seem to apply to someone offering a lookup of an in the wild dataset. I'm curious if my naive understanding of this is wrong.

Presumably it's partly questions like these that make Troy Hunt eager to find people with money and lawyers to help him host this thing.

Re: Project Svalbard: The Future of Have I Been Pwned

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TL;DR: Have I Been Pwned is for sale and is being renamed Project Svalbard. Troy is looking for buyers that will keep the service free, and he'll go work with the buyer.

AIUI, “Project Svalbard” is the name of the project to find a new home for HIBP. The actual service isn’t being renamed (yet).
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