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Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by moonfern »

diminoten wrote: post #20
mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

It is a burden however, and one that isn't necessary if your company has a sane BYOD policy that protects them while not being too invasive. The reality is, convenience wins again here. I, for one, don't give a shit what control my company has over my phone. Not only has nothing ever happened as a result of me using a BYOD policy, the overall rate in the industry seems acceptably low too. I only have 24 hours in my d…

That policy relates to your whole working career. If you somehow managed to violate the policy you will deal with the people who have the power and/or duty to enforce this policy.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by adrianN »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naturally. I never got the BYOD thing. My employer should provide the required tools, if not, then the work is done within the constraints of what is available.

The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.

If your employer doesn't provide the tools you need it's time to talk to them about how much time you lose due to crappy hardware and how many hours of your salary would pay for a better machine.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by pjmlp »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naturally. I never got the BYOD thing. My employer should provide the required tools, if not, then the work is done within the constraints of what is available.

The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.

Then it is time to change employer.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by LIV2 »

adrianN wrote: post #32
fuzzy2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.

If your employer doesn't provide the tools you need it's time to talk to them about how much time you lose due to crappy hardware and how many hours of your salary would pay for a better machine.

From experience it's usually that the employee thinks they need the most powerful 15" Macbook pro when their job entails something like writing blog posts or running code in AWS

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by theghostie »

mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

Most people I know don’t want to carry two devices, nor do I want to switch from iOS to Android or vice versa. All I really want is to be able to do my emails and calendars on my iPhone using the tools I already use without my employer having access to my phone. If this lets me do that, then I’m all for it.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by aurelwu »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naturally. I never got the BYOD thing. My employer should provide the required tools, if not, then the work is done within the constraints of what is available.

The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.

wouldn't the ideal be that the employee gets to pick his own tools in coordination with the employer. And the "minimum requirements" is often so short sighted, compared to what an employee costs, spending 500 or 1000 Dollar/Euro more on a proper device should be net positive given increased productivity (both from device being more productive and employee being more happy)

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by epanchin »

jakobegger wrote: post #27
dragonwriter wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need multiaccount functionality for the use case you describe, just app pinning. Of course, Android has both.

"App Pinning" sounds like it's similar to "Guided Access" which has been available on the iPhone forever. That is not what I want. My kids are old enough to navigate the phone on their own, and they use multiple apps. I just want Face ID to recognize that it's my kid, and not show them notifications for my work related stuff, and just let them play Minecraft and Monument Valley or whatever they want.

But Apple wants you to buy your kids their own devices.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by dingaling »

adrianN wrote: post #32
fuzzy2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.

If your employer doesn't provide the tools you need it's time to talk to them about how much time you lose due to crappy hardware and how many hours of your salary would pay for a better machine.

Which is nice in theory, but irrelevant to the employer when they can just tell you to 'work smarter' or face a PIP. Expenditure: $0. Of course the long-term cost is higher, but that's not a line-item expense.

Honestly, I've been there; coding on a single 15" screen. Eventually most employees brought in a second monitor from home.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by gdfasfklshg4 »

sdoering wrote: post #18
mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…

> I am not willing to introduce spyware that also scans all devices within the network to my home network.

In the EU I would seriously doubt that your employer is allowed to do this.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by iddqd »

mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

I just read through the list of profiles that my employer installed on the device, decided they were not invasive and then started using it as my normal phone.
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