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Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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This seems dangerous, like people are going to spend 100% of their paycheck every month and get everything taken away from them if they go a week without a job.

On the other hand, what about people with lots of credit card debt?

Basically the same thing except instead of renting off the "-as-a-service" crowd they're renting off the bank.

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I actually do this. I have rented 2 king size beds, a sofa, a 200l fridge, 40 inch led tv, small ac and a dining table for around $120 per month.

In return i get complete peace of mind, free maintenance and the ability to update my furniture for no reason other than i want to.

I personally am pretty happy with renting most of this stuff but will be buying my own dtuff once i have my own house

Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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This article describes a minor (but real) trend among a small group of wealthy young people. While some of the services described have a bit wider reach (particularly clothing companies), there's nothing THAT concerning about people with lots of disposable income doing what people with disposable income have always done -- spend it.

Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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This seems dangerous, like people are going to spend 100% of their paycheck every month and get everything taken away from them if they go a week without a job.

Or on the flipside, I've got some contractor/consulting buddies who regularly pull down $200/hr bouncing between Tech companies in the Bay Area and Seattle and big banks in NYC. Not owning anything allows you to go where the work is and keep your net worth in assets that produce actual income (like index funds and bonds), instead of sitting around collecting unemployment during a dry spell because you're encumbered b…

This is a lot different if you're making $140,000/year gross vs the typical "rent to own" market of Aaron's and Rent-a-center for household furnishings, where the consumers make significantly less than that.

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Renting an apartment vs owning a house is not necessarily a bad financial move. Depends on a number of factors. For instance, if you anticipate moving within a certain time frame, between closing costs, mortgage fees, commission, etc...it can cost more to own in the first 3-5 years, especially if prices are stagnant. Also, there are hidden costs of home ownership not necessarily factored in for, like repairs, maintenance, etc that are just implicitly included in rent. Finally, one can use the savings from paying rent to invest in the stock market and generally get a higher return than real estate.

Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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I actually do this. I have rented 2 king size beds, a sofa, a 200l fridge, 40 inch led tv, small ac and a dining table for around $120 per month. In return i get complete peace of mind, free maintenance and the ability to update my furniture for no reason other than i want to. I personally am pretty happy with renting most of this stuff but will be buying my own dtuff once i have my own house

Sorry but do you find this ends up being wasteful at all? I don't know how many of/how much these items can be reused, but it feels like it would promote far faster consumption than ownership.

Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could make a case for the opposite -- consumers tend to buy something new at the store then throw it out a couple of years later. I can imagine these types of companies buying more durable goods so they can rent them out to multiple people back to back instead. I see it as almost automating the craigslist model.

Time will tell, of course. You might be right... but I’m pessimistic here. Renters and leasees take less good care of the items they let or rent. The clothes will have a faster velocity to the waste dump, etc. manufacturers and purveyors will cater to this increased velocity... People are worried about drinking straws. Imagine all the new plastic items to cater to this new usage pattern...

As someone who just recently stopped being a "landlord"...I very much agree that renters put a magnitude more wear and tear on things. The wear and tear people put on things when they don't own them...and without even being consciously aware of it.

I know now that anything rented should maximize durability while minimizing cost. Time will tell which one weighs heavier, but I'm pessimistic also, and guess that minimizing cost is overall cheaper than durability.

Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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post #10

This might be more interesting if there was more competition and prices were more inline with the cost of purchasing. It might be I don't understand the costs though. Is renting furniture or clothing like leasing a car, or is it more expensive (or less expensive)?

The cost can not be inline with purchasing because the store still has to purchase it, have all the overhead of running a store and then over the lifespan of the item, make up all of those costs as well as making some profit on it.

Re: Owning nothing is now a luxury, thanks to a number of subscription startups

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This seems dangerous, like people are going to spend 100% of their paycheck every month and get everything taken away from them if they go a week without a job.

Or on the flipside, I've got some contractor/consulting buddies who regularly pull down $200/hr bouncing between Tech companies in the Bay Area and Seattle and big banks in NYC. Not owning anything allows you to go where the work is and keep your net worth in assets that produce actual income (like index funds and bonds), instead of sitting around collecting unemployment during a dry spell because you're encumbered b…

I agree that many people already lived on a financial knife edge before all these rental services.

However the example of a contractor who lives an unencumbered life and saves a lot of money is not at all typical. It's similar to using the example of an investment banking associate or corporate attorney who pay high rent in Manhattan for some years and invest the rest, as an argument against buying a home and having a mortgage.

In reality, many/most people are better off with a mortgage because it forces them to save money, which they behaviorally wouldn't be able to do otherwise. Likewise, buying something and keeping it around probably prevents a lot of needless repurchases and upgrades of the same item. If you are rational the rental lifestyle can make sense in some cases. But for most it just facilitates impulsive behavior. Hence the rush to capitalize on it.

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