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Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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Based on the numbers alone, that's about a 20% return for the MIT group, for an annualized return (not considering compound interest) of less than 3% per year. Does this suggest that those trying to game the lottery should just turn to investing in the market? It's amusing to see that the market, which is less structured in probability and more volatile, outperforms the lottery in this aspect.

That doesn't mean they had that amount of capital under investment. If you bet $10 every week, and every week you win $11, at the end of the year you've bet $520 and made a profit of $52. But you never had more than $10 "invested". If that $18 million was evenly spread out over 7 years, it would be close to $50k/week, or $215k/month. Those are probably more accurate amounts of working capital for calculating ROI.

Yeah, the way the article phrased it, I have a feeling this is a useless statistic like the sum total of all the money spent on tickets.

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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"That was satisfactory."

I love that this guy, who is probably, what, 80? 81? pulled off this huge math heist after probably a lifetime spent doing math running a convenience store.

I bet it feels great to have that sense of, like, ease with himself in old age, having made a mark on the world in a way that hurt no one and helped a lot of people.

He stuck the landing

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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I work in the gambling industry and live in au. From my perspective this is super strange. By law vendors have to publish the odd (and on some games the EV).

Publishing the odds is common. Doing the math on those odds apparently is not.

But in order to publish the odds, you have to know the odds. And the only way to know the odds is to do the math, correct?

Unless you're making a distinction for determining the odds during optimal play (which makes a lot more sense to me).

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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> and it provides a little excitement and lets them fantasize about the winnings I've heard this before, but why do you need a ticket to fantasize about what you'd do with that much money? It can be a conversation starter and I can see the excitement aspect in watching your numbers come up (if you don't have a hundred combos to watch at once), but fantasizing is free.

As someone who's bought a few lottery tickets in his life, I can confirm that the fantasizing is in fact better when it's about something that could happen to you.

You could have a rich uncle in Scandinavia about to die and leave you $200M

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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I personally like the saying "the lottery is a tax on the innumerate"

Although it's a bit cruel because the "innumerate" are disproportionately poor. Lottery tickets may be driven more by despair and hope for an improbable escape than by innumeracy.

Considering how much people spend on lottery, and how much value they could get by spending that money on real products, it's innumeracy.

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

#156

"That was satisfactory." I love that this guy, who is probably, what, 80? 81? pulled off this huge math heist after probably a lifetime spent doing math running a convenience store. I bet it feels great to have that sense of, like, ease with himself in old age, having made a mark on the world in a way that hurt no one and helped a lot of people. He stuck the landing

He hurt all the lottery players he beat.

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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post #139

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> and it provides a little excitement and lets them fantasize about the winnings I've heard this before, but why do you need a ticket to fantasize about what you'd do with that much money? It can be a conversation starter and I can see the excitement aspect in watching your numbers come up (if you don't have a hundred combos to watch at once), but fantasizing is free.

As someone who's bought a few lottery tickets in his life, I can confirm that the fantasizing is in fact better when it's about something that could happen to you.

you could also just happen to find a winning lottery ticket on the street.

the likelihoods of the two events are similar, and one fantasy is free.

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

#158

I wish lotteries handed out many $1M prizes instead of giving $250M to one person. People understand what to do with $1M (I think) but most people are ruined by $250M.

Taking this logic to its conclusion, the best kind of lottery would be one which paid out $1 to everyone who bought a ticket.

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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The reason they don't do that is marketing; more people play for big jackpot. I think even saying there might 250 $1 million winners this week isn't as big of an enticement.

Exactly, they would never sell anywhere close to the amount of tickets as they do for the single-winner lump sums that swell to ridiculous amounts. So they wouldn't have the necessary incoming ticket sales to be able to do the 250 $1 million winners.

Around here when the jackpots get high enough you actually find really long lines just to buy tickets. No one lines up to buy the scratch offs with much better odds of winning $1 million.

Re: Couple wins millions using lottery loophole

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post #156

"That was satisfactory." I love that this guy, who is probably, what, 80? 81? pulled off this huge math heist after probably a lifetime spent doing math running a convenience store. I bet it feels great to have that sense of, like, ease with himself in old age, having made a mark on the world in a way that hurt no one and helped a lot of people. He stuck the landing

He hurt all the lottery players he beat.

In fact not. Their winnings did not take a $1 of winnings from anyone else.
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