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Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Post by shearskill »

dragonwriter wrote: post #315
manigandham wrote: post #314

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How many business users are going to use Juypter notebooks? Meanwhile, someone with basic computing experience can create in-depth reports with Tableau in less than an hour.

> How many business users are going to use Juypter notebooks? None, because it's too much programming for IT to let business people have access to it, and it's not disguised as an office productivity app the way Excel is. If they had access to it and had basic training on it that anyone already competent in any vaguely quantitative domain could handle, plenty of them could and would. At least judging by my experience…

This is a repost but since you’re interested - Netflix data science is very pro-Jupyter/Python/data analysis packages. https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/notebook-innovation-591e...

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Post by usepgp »

capkutay wrote: post #239
oarabbus_ wrote: post #214

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>well I can do the same thing with some scripts or spin up a web server. That's a massive waste of your time and effort. The maintenance costs become massive as well should you choose to create your own system. At the VERY least you should leverage existing free open-source tools such as Metabase or Superset or Dash, or free tools such as Google Data Studio or Mode Analytics, if you're not going to spend cash to get…

> that's a massive waste of your time and effort. Yeah I work at a company in the analytics space and see that all the time. It peaks the curiosity of people who are software developers (yet their core competency at their job is something else). They think its a fun work side-project and go after it. Write some python scripts to do ETL and process the data...make a backend with pg, a web server, then do charts in d3.…

just an FYI, the word you're looking for is 'piques' not 'peaks'

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Post by chasd00 »

raphtheb wrote: post #331
chasd00 wrote: post #123

this is a vote of no confidence for the Salesforce Einstein Analytics ( formally Wave analytics ) product. I suspect over the next couple years you'll see Einstein Analytics phased out in favor of Tableau with a SF stylesheet applied and framed inside Salesforce. On the other hand, the IOT team at SF probably loves this. I got to spend a few days with the main engineers discussing their "Thunder" architecture a coupl…

Hey! Glad you enjoyed what the IOT team was doing! I didn't think many people knew about us! I was actually a part of that team and left Salesforce pretty recently. I think i can safely state that everyone involved in building the tech for that IOT product was pretty proud of what we built. That being said, the team that built it 2-3 years back and the current team are fundamentally different. The department was thor…

Wow we probably crossed paths. At the time, a CTA buddy of mine was starting the North America IOT Cloud practice at Accenture and was bringing me along for the ride. He had a baby and eventually left to run a program at a client (9 to 5 no travel). Without him, I bailed soon after for a higher up role at a startup. I would still love to get back in that scene though, this acquisition makes it that much more interesting.

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Post by SpaceManNabs »

jdgoesmarching wrote: post #271
kfk wrote: post #159

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The businesses are coming with requests that require complex SQL on millions of records of data that normally is sitting in various sources (warehouse, salesforce, etc.). Unless you hire expensive data engineers, you can't do this type of work reliably. You can stick things together with expensive GUI oriented prep tools like Alteryx, but you pay in reliability and, quite frankly, sleep. And forget IT, IT is so stuck…

Expensive data engineer here, I see nothing wrong with this >:)

Yes, I am a bit confused by that statement too. Isn't it good that complex tasks are handled by specialized people? Maybe it is my bias as an ex-big data engineer / current data scientist, but it seems to me that a lot of the tooling is is pretty simple as it can be (yes yes complacency is the enemy of good, I mean no obvious things to improve as low-hanging fruit)

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Post by _sword »

capkutay wrote: post #239
oarabbus_ wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>well I can do the same thing with some scripts or spin up a web server. That's a massive waste of your time and effort. The maintenance costs become massive as well should you choose to create your own system. At the VERY least you should leverage existing free open-source tools such as Metabase or Superset or Dash, or free tools such as Google Data Studio or Mode Analytics, if you're not going to spend cash to get…

> that's a massive waste of your time and effort. Yeah I work at a company in the analytics space and see that all the time. It peaks the curiosity of people who are software developers (yet their core competency at their job is something else). They think its a fun work side-project and go after it. Write some python scripts to do ETL and process the data...make a backend with pg, a web server, then do charts in d3.…

This sounds like it should be included in my yet-to-be-written biography. I fell into exactly this trap at one point.

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Post by martin__ »

ineedasername wrote: post #208
exabrial wrote: post #11

Can't wait to pay $1000 per gigabyte per month to host my analytics data there.

Yeah, Salesforce presentation of pricing really can feel like a bait-and-switch. Advertised as a pay per-user per-month, but then to actually make the system work you get all of these add-on fees, like for storage, or for API calls to perform data integration, etc.

The data storage limit increased quite a bit just a few months ago:

https://releasenotes.docs.salesforce.com/en-us/spring19/rele...

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Post by luckydata »

jtwaleson wrote: post #276
luckydata wrote: post #263

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so you're rebuilding Visual Basic in react.

Do you mean that as a good or a bad thing? VB was fantastic to many people!

absolutely a good thing.

It was a light hearted jab at the description that made it sound like something completely original and never tried before :)

I hope he does well, those tools are super useful.

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Post by swuecho »

dmor wrote: post #61
victor106 wrote: post #58

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Exactly what we’ve been looking for. An open source ETL tool. This looks great. Will check it out for sure. Keep up the great work. I wonder if there are any other open source tools in this space?

There are some great tools in this space, definitely worth exploring. Our vision is to glue the steps from ETL to dashboard together in an end-to-end solution. We pick whatever we consider best in class and integrate it. So far, we've got Singer, DBT, Jupyter Notebooks and Apache Airflow and we're using VueJS for both the product UI and our website. We're also working on a blog post exploration what other acquisition…

thanks for the product. I checked Singer, DBT, both of which are great idea and product. I build one very similar (conceptually) to DBT in my last data project. (I would not if I knew dbt is there).

Airflow is too heavy weight for me, I use Scons to do the workflow management.

meltano must do a lot of work to integrate all this together. I wonder what is the general user experience is. To me, seems too heavy weight.

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Post by mbesto »

anonu wrote: post #164

One thing I've had to remind myself of - coming from a CS/Engineering background similar to most folks on HN (I'm guessing) - is that there are 2 types of people: Those who program and those who don't. To me, Salesforce looks like a big shared Excel file with a bunch of sheets. Tableau... well I can do the same thing with some scripts or spin up a web server. To others, this tech is just magical. Pay the money, do th…

> Those who program and those who don't.

And you should know, that the ratio between those two is something like 1:1,000,000

So, for the most of the world, tech is essentially "magic" to them.

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Post by infinite8s »

therein wrote: post #283
oarabbus_ wrote: post #214

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>well I can do the same thing with some scripts or spin up a web server. That's a massive waste of your time and effort. The maintenance costs become massive as well should you choose to create your own system. At the VERY least you should leverage existing free open-source tools such as Metabase or Superset or Dash, or free tools such as Google Data Studio or Mode Analytics, if you're not going to spend cash to get…

Out of genuine interest and perhaps even a need for such a solution, is there anything that does what Metabase/Superset/Dash/GDS/ModeAnalytics does but for realtime datastreams? For instance, parsing and recording and visualizing the events coming from a websockets or some event queue/bus?

Yes perspective is built for streaming data - https://perspective.finos.org. Open source streaming pivoting engine that operates in the browser (using wasm in a webworker, with integration with Apache arrow for ingest of binary data strrams off websockets)
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