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Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Tableau is free for students and teachers. (1 year license) https://www.tableau.com/academic/students . It's not crippled.

I used to teach Tableau too and while you're right, the tool still becomes useless after graduation because of the ~$1000/yr price tag. From there, tableau becomes a "learn it just to get hired at a company that might use it" tactic, which is a valid job hunting strategy but is not something useful to learn in a data viz class, especially since there are other data viz tools the students can learn and keep using afte…

Are you teaching how to use Tableau (the product) or Data science/BI? Because I don't think you should be learning how to use a specific software product at school unless it's vocational.

That said, I don't see why any student couldn't continue using the free Public version.

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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I think that many folks don't remember or know about how the word "BI" [business intelligence] was born.

Back in the day corporations paid programmers and consulting companies millions of dollars for the purpose of building out applications with databases upon which to digitize their business processes. This was a great for a couple decades, up until some time in the 90's.

It was at that point that expectations had caught up with digitization and having your battle-axes in accounting/order-entry/supply-chain do their keyboard magic on green-screens just wasn't cutting it. To actually understand what was going on, managers had to ask for specific reports from these people and they were just not in a position to do the reports as well has get their own ever-increasing-shit done. Let alone whatever the hell sales was doing.

For a control-freak in management this just isn't acceptable. They started to find ways to "serve themselves". Eventually someone had the idea to hook the enterprise databases into their own zany spreadsheets. It was amazing. There was such a fountain of knowledge and insight that it made the people who could do that seem like relative geniuses. Almost "intelligent" in their business jobs. Thus, "Business Intelligence" was born.

"Business Intelligence" is the practice of making badly-designed opaque shit from brutal, inscrutable business applications... visible.

Only now are makers of enterprise applications starting to get it (or pretend to get it).

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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Qlik was sold to Thoma Bravo, a private equity firm, about two years ago for $3B. Not sure if that's a relative bargain compared to this deal or if it makes the $15.7B look totally unrealistic. As of a few years ago the total revenue of the two firms wasn't that different.

I've heard that Thoma Bravo specializes on re-selling assets. If that's true then the $15bln sticker on Tableau should only justify and boost their intention to re-sell Qlik.

> I've heard that Thoma Bravo specializes on re-selling assets.

This is true, because Thoma is a PE firm and is literally in the business of acquiring and selling companies.

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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So I have to deal with both tools at my company. The reality is that it all feels so incomplete from a BI standpoint. Managers are throwing money at front end tools like Salesforce and Tableau, but the entire back end stack is still pretty much the same as 20-30 years ago (big expensive Oracle-ish databases). I think the development of Python and Jupyter and other less known things like Vega are much more interesting…

Lindy effect. If it has survived that long it probably will survive in future too. Unless the quality of individuals working in non-tech goes significantly up in tech savvyness I find it hard that it will change.

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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To put a finer point on it, they'll pay a lot of money for tools that require less-skilled labor to operate. They will gladly spend a lot of money on Tableau to avoid paying the salary premium to have "those who program" build them an analytics system. It costs much less to hire business analysts who don't program (aside from SQL).

Now if they just taught business analysts how statistics work. If I had a dollar for every time someone showed me a wrongheaded graph they were using to make business decisions, I could retire.

There are varying degrees of skill and competence in business analytics just like there are in software development.

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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I interpreted that as front end to a database.

It's really a whole working methodology that includes an Object model, which one would call backend. Did I mention its a nasty fugly POS?

Mostly non-functional?

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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yeah I see Alteryx or something similar as their next purchase. All they are missing now is a ETL solution.

What do you call Mulesoft?

The #6 tool behind Informatica, Dell Boomi, Jitterbit, Workato and SnapLogic according to Gartner.

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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I'm the CPO at a SaaS data catalog and analysis hub company called data.world - I was at the Snowflake Summit when the Looker acquisition by Google was announced - the guys at their booth seemed pretty happy ;)

With Google snapping up Looker ($2.6B) for Google Cloud, Salesforce's much bigger purchase of Tableau is a clear sign that the big guys see buying BI tools is a good way to expand the reach of their offerings into more of the business. We talk to companies every day that have made massive investments in data warehouses, viz tools, and high-paid data scientists, but they still aren't agile enough because they can't tie it all together so their people can find and use the right data when they need it. I read an article once about the failure of self serve BI and the reality is that you just end up creating more sprawl. People need tools to reduce the clutter and sprawl and stop the endless chain of emails trying to figure out what table to look at or query to use or if your source is still updating.

We built our data catalog and analysis hub for exactly this, and it's extremely validating to see the big guys like Salesforce and Google investing in expanding the user base of big data tools and I really hope we can be part of the solution of sorting it all out!

Re: Salesforce is buying Tableau for $15.7B

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> the entire back end stack is still pretty much the same as 20-30 years ago (big expensive Oracle-ish databases). Other than the expensive part, is it really such a bad thing? I feel like relational databases are a pretty good fit for a wide set of use cases and have a huge amount of tooling.

Ungodly expensive. PostgreSQL on the other hand - so good, so free!

Just make sure that you tune it for analytical workloads. Its defaults are very conservative and lean towards transactional workloads.
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