NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media • Hacker News Board

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by scotchio » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:06 PM UTC

To be fair...

The front page of Hacker News is pretty much a Google hate hangoutfest -- so maybe cut some slack on this one...

I'm sure the NYT reporter was not acting malicious.

Maybe they will even issue correction or update in time. No one would argue that speed of social media and corrections is not ideal, but I would bet they are trying to be accurate and transparent with their readers.

I just seriously doubt the reporter and editors who published this info did so solely with the goal to attack Google by "promoting" a questionable study.

Wrong/Lazy/Dumb != Evil

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by legitster » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

So many studies make such bald and ridiculous assumptions but never get called out for them. Or the results of "studies" where the methods aren't even public!

Linking to a "study" to validate a point is so easy and trivial. I can find studies that validate any position I need. But having "a study show" makes my argument seem truthful and academic. In that regard, "studies" seem to have a cargo cult where people happy collect and link to them but never bother to validate them.

Did they not bother to actually run the numbers by anyone at all? Did it being a "study" magically make it pure and true?

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by graeme » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

donohoe wrote: post #20

This Twitter thread on this subject from Dir of Ad Tech at The Washington Post is worth reading: https://twitter.com/chronotope/status/1138074631980683264

Seems weak. Media are free to make alternative adtech. Google’s ad system has made them more money though.

And the above would be true even if Google News didn’t exist.

The media has incredibly sloppy thinking about their business model.

What monopoly prevents the post from managing their own ads? They choose not to.

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by babyslothzoo » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:11 PM UTC

noetic_techy wrote: post #7

The New York Times is no longer the steady unbias pillar it once was. They hire fresh out SJW types to do their writing and it shows. Once I finally came to that realization, I stopped taking them seriously, but I feel others have not quite reached that epiphany yet. Keep in mind they almost went bankrupt if it were not for Carlos Slim bailing them out. Then you saw a bunch of praise pieces about Slim, and you realiz…

So disappointing but I have noticed the same thing.

NYT has dove so deep into identity politics, opinion, agenda, and editorial that it's very hard to imagine their actual legitimate journalistic/reporting division is not being negatively impacted and influenced.

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by ha99ja » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:12 PM UTC

scotchio wrote: post #21

To be fair... The front page of Hacker News is pretty much a Google hate hangoutfest -- so maybe cut some slack on this one... I'm sure the NYT reporter was not acting malicious. Maybe they will even issue correction or update in time. No one would argue that speed of social media and corrections is not ideal, but I would bet they are trying to be accurate and transparent with their readers. I just seriously doubt th…

The NYT is pretty known for propaganda. Assuming it is not acting malicious is not a good assumption.

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by darawk » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:14 PM UTC

scotchio wrote: post #21

To be fair... The front page of Hacker News is pretty much a Google hate hangoutfest -- so maybe cut some slack on this one... I'm sure the NYT reporter was not acting malicious. Maybe they will even issue correction or update in time. No one would argue that speed of social media and corrections is not ideal, but I would bet they are trying to be accurate and transparent with their readers. I just seriously doubt th…

No, but they published something that confirmed their priors, and didn't due their due diligence on it because it confirmed their priors and was the kind of story they wanted to write. They have to be held to account for that.

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by scotchio » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:16 PM UTC

darawk wrote: post #26

scotchio wrote: post #21

To be fair... The front page of Hacker News is pretty much a Google hate hangoutfest -- so maybe cut some slack on this one... I'm sure the NYT reporter was not acting malicious. Maybe they will even issue correction or update in time. No one would argue that speed of social media and corrections is not ideal, but I would bet they are trying to be accurate and transparent with their readers. I just seriously doubt th…

No, but they published something that confirmed their priors, and didn't due their due diligence on it because it confirmed their priors and was the kind of story they wanted to write. They have to be held to account for that.

Agree. Just don't see it as malicious

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by WillPostForFood » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:20 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #12

fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WMD comes to mind.

That has more with W's threats to cut off press room access to anyone who wouldn't stick to the patriotic script they wanted everyone to follow.

citation?

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by xxxpupugo » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:23 PM UTC

scotchio wrote: post #21

To be fair... The front page of Hacker News is pretty much a Google hate hangoutfest -- so maybe cut some slack on this one... I'm sure the NYT reporter was not acting malicious. Maybe they will even issue correction or update in time. No one would argue that speed of social media and corrections is not ideal, but I would bet they are trying to be accurate and transparent with their readers. I just seriously doubt th…

Unpopular opinion: Bashing google is the new cool and easy way to victimization.

Re: NYT promotes questionable study on Google and the media

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Post by espeed » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 10:23 PM UTC

In a nutshell, Elizabeth Hansen's Harvard research group got it right...

"Internet platform economics were going to swamp the majority of publishers no matter what—there is (almost) no market for their products any more; not because they couldn’t make one, but because that’s not how internet economics work."

https://twitter.com/ehansen02/status/1138077051934707714