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How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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Cynical answer: he convinced VCs that his particular brand of shared office space was better than everyone else's, actual revenue be damned, and they believed him . That's it. Straight from the article: "Neumann declared that WeWork’s “valuation and size today are much more based on our energy and spirituality than it is on a multiple of revenue.”"

Their valuation is based on spirituality? Are they a business, or a church?

I mean, they can actually be more valuable than other such companies if they get the ambience right. Maybe that's what he meant. But if they're referring to the ambience as "spirituality", I cannot take them seriously. [Edit: And if by "spirituality" they mean something besides ambience, I still cannot take them seriously.]

If I had more faith in the market's rationality, I would short them as soon as they IPO...

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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I have the next billion-dollar business idea, an " Airbnb for coworking spaces". Convert your existing house to a co-working space. Looked at Wework, already pay too much for rent in the Bay area. I work from home, and would not mind the company. Got good coffee and great beer as well!

This suggestion is made every time there's a thread about WeWork and it's just not viable. There are startups in this space already and the reality is always borne out: it's simply not worthwhile to rent out space in your home to an individual. You can get a monthly membership to WeWork for Every one of the startups in this space either disappears, or pivots their focus to larger spaces designed for meetings, events or shoots. For example there's https://breather.com in the US and https://www.vrumi.com in the UK. The cheapest space on vrumi is far more expensive than WeWork.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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"“valuation and size today are much more based on our energy and spirituality than it is on a multiple of revenue.”"

Literally valuation based on 'spirituality'.

Not only do I call 'bubble' but also 'BS'.

Very wary of companies leveraging 'morality' in whatever form (esp. all the way up to 'Spirituality'), unless it's somehow deeply authentic (i.e. a company that makes 'green' eqipment can claim 'greeness' that's fine), and are something to be cynical about. I find it kind of repulsive.

My feeling is that WeWork must be the 'high tech startup' opportunity for all those non-tech 'Goop' reader types.

... like the NXVM of startup land.

Tony Robbins of working real estate + SoftBank.

“There are 150 million orphans in the world. We want to solve this problem and give them a new family: the WeWork family.” In L.A., Neumann told his employees that the newly formed We Company would now have three prongs — WeWork, WeLive, and WeGrow — with a single, grandiose mission: “to elevate the world’s consciousness.”

Just beautiful ...

WeWork’s size and scale could put it in a position to help deal with some of the world’s largest problems, like the refugee crisis, saying, “I need to have the biggest valuation I can, because when countries are shooting at each other, I want them to come to me.”

How does anyone take this guy seriously?

In the comments here there seems to be a lack of calling out on the so many of the gob-smacking authoritarian/hypocrisy red-flags going on here.

The guy's line is preaching morality, spirituality and inclusuion ... while doing the opposite i.e. dropping the least productive 20% staff every year? 'All dudes' in charge? (Nothign necessarily wrong there (maybe red flags), but it's definitely hypocritical)

All of the Kabbalah stuff and social preaching at offsites?

'It's like a capitalist Kibbutz' ... this is double-speak.

And that his background doesn't legitimately speak to any of this, i.e. total lack of legitimacy?

The trick to this kind personality is 1) words have no bearing on reality 2) total lack of self-awareness or consideration such that he can come across as 'honest' even when spouting garbage.

Who else could possibly be talking about 'saving the refugees of the world' like this with a straight face?

This guy is the Donald Trump of Vegans.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See https://www.spacesworks.com/ which is basically Regus with a different brand name. I am using their co-working in Copenhagen since a few months and quite happy so far.

Interesting, I did not know Spaces was under IWG! They are here in DC as well. Materially the office space is the same offering as WeWork, but there is a noticeably different vibe/sheen that is hard to pin down. Neither appeals to me as I find it hard to focus / get work done in coworking places like this, but WeWork just feels better executed / 'cooler' at first blush.

I've only been to WeWork in London, yes I agree the vibe is a little different. You could argue they're both faking it being hip but WeWork does a slightly more convincing job while Spaces feels bit more corporate.

That said, I found the WeWork in London extremely noisy and tight compared to my current space. It might be just a side effect of real estate prices in respective cities, though.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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My WeWork has three kinds of clients. The first kind sit in the dedicated desk area, work 10-12 hours/day and rarely leave the space for community events. They're either serious consultants/freelancers or just starting their own startups. The second kind sit in the shared desk area and basically dick around all day. They attend all the community events and use WeWork as mostly a networking/dating hub. Who they networ…

It's interesting that godaddy would opt for a wework rather than leasing office space and setting it up. Probably less cost and hassle?

There’s a bunch of internatonal companies using wework apparently. My guess would be the same as yours: nice location in the cities, modern looking offices, the brand value, and not having to find a good office manager.

I worked in a recently furnished office two years ago, there was a sizeable effort to make it an attractive work place but it still slightly paled compared to wework in terms of pure office space.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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I have the next billion-dollar business idea, an " Airbnb for coworking spaces". Convert your existing house to a co-working space. Looked at Wework, already pay too much for rent in the Bay area. I work from home, and would not mind the company. Got good coffee and great beer as well!

This suggestion is made every time there's a thread about WeWork and it's just not viable. There are startups in this space already and the reality is always borne out: it's simply not worthwhile to rent out space in your home to an individual. You can get a monthly membership to WeWork for Every one of the startups in this space either disappears, or pivots their focus to larger spaces designed for meetings, events…

To be fair the number of people who are able and willing to pay even $200/mo for co-working space is MUCH smaller than the number of people who are able and willing to pay $10/mo. Plenty of people would prefer to pay $10 to sit in someone's apartment for 7 hours, just like every day millions of people pay $5 to sit in a cafe for a couple hours.

This becomes more obvious when you leave the rich tech bubble of SF.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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By taking an old stodgy business (commercial real estate) and bringing it in conformance with modern expectations of design, ease of transactions, lease length, and vibe. The real estate owners couldn’t be bothered to do this because they make too much money by doing nothing to bother with doing something for an extra $47b (a rounding error on the value of global commercial real estate) The huge fundraising rounds ar…

So many of these unicorns seem so stupidly simple in hindsight. I'm in St Petersburg right now and the taxi outside the train station quoted an initial rate of EUR 50 to drive a grand total of 6km (after haggling, "just" EUR 30). I booked an Uber (operated under Yandex Taxi in Russia now) and the total price was just EUR 5 Take stodgy, often scammy, and downright consumer unfriendly industries, add transparency and a…

==Take stodgy, often scammy, and downright consumer unfriendly industries, add transparency and accessibility to them, and viola - you have a unicorn.==

And, maybe some day, actual profits.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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The biggest revenue opportunity for WeWork is big corporations opening smaller office location in cities where just want to staff a small field office or operations office. Example, Uber opening an office in let's say Columbus. Now instead of Uber going on a real estate hunt, they can simply rent out space in WeWork Columbus which gives them flexibility to scale or shrink depending on business. It is essentially abst…

This probably true, and there's a company similar to WW in Montreal who did a presentation indicating that as well.

The thing is: there's very little competitive advantage in that.

Having 'cool decor' is less valuable to larger companies, and it's not as though other entities can't duplicate that if they want.

Other, more established firms can inch their way into copying some of WW's mojo, and compete on price, which the CFO's of said companies will appreciate.

Re: How Did WeWork’s Adam Neumann Build a $47B Company?

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By taking an old stodgy business (commercial real estate) and bringing it in conformance with modern expectations of design, ease of transactions, lease length, and vibe. The real estate owners couldn’t be bothered to do this because they make too much money by doing nothing to bother with doing something for an extra $47b (a rounding error on the value of global commercial real estate) The huge fundraising rounds ar…

Finally, some clear thinking.
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