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Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by ilikepi »

noelsusman wrote: post #95
weinzierl wrote: post #25

I'd be happy to pay for Firefox, but I have a few points that are important to me. They are probably not very realistic but here they are anyway: 1. I would like my money to go into Firefox development and nowhere else. I certainly don't want my money spent on their content business, even if it is used as a leverage to generate more money for Firefox development. I'm torn about Rust development because I certainly wo…

You really want Firefox to release a paid web browser that can't search the Internet out of the box?

It's a browser. Right out of the box, if I type in www.google.com, it will load the site and I'll be able to search.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by canada_dry »

m-p-3 wrote: post #47
weinzierl wrote: post #25

I'd be happy to pay for Firefox, but I have a few points that are important to me. They are probably not very realistic but here they are anyway: 1. I would like my money to go into Firefox development and nowhere else. I certainly don't want my money spent on their content business, even if it is used as a leverage to generate more money for Firefox development. I'm torn about Rust development because I certainly wo…

I'd add builtin Tor support too, as the form of another mode (below Private Window mode)

Even better, would be to have install options that offer: TOR and/or a built-in VPN service (like Opera).

I'd also add that Mozilla fluff (pocket, etc.) be an install option (default off).

Finally, I'd like to be able to build stable macros again (ala greasemonkey). GM functionality in FF has been an annoyingly moving target - dropping and radically changing functionality - to the point where I now just keep an old version of FF w/ GM around so that I don't have to keep trying to re-write my macros.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by thrower123 »

sokoloff wrote: post #74
maxsilver wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally agree with this (FOSS fans can be wildly too demanding, especially for the tiny amount of cash donated) But is the comment above really too high a standard? If a paid version of Firefox doesn't (1) at least strip the adware out, and (2) actually fund Firefox development, then what would even be the point? If you want to blanket donate to everything Mozilla, you can already do that today. https://donate.mo…

I think a default search engine and default first tab is fine as two examples where that list of demands is excessive. And depending on what “no network connections to third-party hosts unless I’ve explicitly opted in” means, this probably breaks CDNs, multi-host content serving, and lots of common js distribution mechanisms in ways that normal users will find confusing and result in “Firefox doesn’t work” if that’s…

I'm not sure why that is excessive, except that Mozilla made (maybe still does, I'm not sure) most of their money from getting paid to put search engines as their default. How hard is it to pop a dialog in the installer or on first run to let you pick? I don't think that is unreasonable.

And the default tab just means loading a blank tab up. The last time I used Firefox, this was already a setting that you could pick.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by pkaye »

samcday wrote: post #80

Finally, a proper way to vote with my wallet in the browser wars. I'm sure Firefox can make more money from me individually by allowing me to pay them, rather than funneling me through Google for some eyeball $$$s, especially since I've personally switched to DuckDuckGo. Actually that makes me wonder - how does Mozilla currently make money off me if I've stopped using Google searches in Firefox?

How much would you pay for Firefox per year?

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by Crinus »

jasonhansel wrote: post #40
Millennium wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as all of the source is available under FOSS licenses, yes. Free as in speech, not free as in beer, remember? Question is, will Mozilla actually stick to that? What the paid features also be open-source, at least to whatever extent the concept of source code applies?

Ideally, Mozilla would let us pay to use their servers, while also providing an OSS self-hosted version with equivalent functionality. (Firefox is available under the MPL, which is a sort of compromise between copyleft and MIT-style licenses. So it'd be difficult to make any new FF feature entirely closed source.)

MPL does allow closed source extensions, Netscape wanting to create a proprietary browser on top of Mozilla was the main reason MPL was created and they didn't use something like GPL.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by josefresco »

josefresco wrote: post #4

Will it be called ... Netscape 10? I'm honestly asking / hoping. Does AOL still own the brand?

Since I got crickets on my question (as well as downvotes - love you HNers!) I looked it up.

Answer: Maybe Facebook?

https://boingboing.net/2019/03/30/facebook-navigator.html

TLDR; AOL bought Netscape, who sold it to Microsoft, who then sold it to Facebook.

Edit: Maybe not, the domain WHOIS shows it points to Yahoo! Oath Inc. - https://www.whois.com/whois/netscape.net

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by skinnymuch »

maxsilver wrote: post #46
sametmax wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure you are right now paying a lot more money to companies doing a lot less efforts Mozilla is currently doing. And now you are asking even more of them, just as a condition for maybe giving them something day. See, that's one of the weirdest problem in FOSS: the fans hold them to a way too high standard, making it twice as hard to thrive. Once because it's hard to make money as an open source, benevolent…

I generally agree with this (FOSS fans can be wildly too demanding, especially for the tiny amount of cash donated) But is the comment above really too high a standard? If a paid version of Firefox doesn't (1) at least strip the adware out, and (2) actually fund Firefox development, then what would even be the point? If you want to blanket donate to everything Mozilla, you can already do that today. https://donate.mo…

I don’t care about “adware” and would likely be annoyed that I paid for something and it had less things in it. I use the Pocket feature for example. So for me the point would be why would I pay if my features are being reduced. Or things are changed that I don’t care about. So then for me it would become what’s the point of paying. You can’t make everyone happy. And not everyone feels the same way about things. L
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